Proclaimer:  Genesis 1:7 is simply telling us that God created this space between the waters on the surface of the earth and the waters up in the heavens which are thought to be the clouds.

 

Gene:  Mike……only an idiot would not know that the waters of this earth are indeed seperated from the waters (clouds) of the sky.

There were waters calle…[Read more]

Proclaimer, I was set to have tomorrow (Friday in AZ) off, and I was going to give you my presentation.  Unfortunately, I have to work after all, so the presentation will have to wait until either Saturday or Sunday.

LU: Philippians 2:6 who, though he existed in the form of God,

did not regard equality with God

as something to be grasped,
NET Notes:

The Greek term translated form indicates a correspondence with reality. Thus the meaning of this phrase is that Christ was truly God.

The Greek “morphe” simply means outward appearance.  But the point is that…[Read more]

LU:  Mike,

You said:

In the Bible, Jesus is called…

1.  Son of God.

2.  Only begotten son of God.

3.  Servant of God.

4.  Priest of God.

5.  Holy one of God.

6.  Word of God.

7.  Anointed one of God.

8.  Messenger of God.

9.  Sacrificial lamb of God.

10.  Prophet of God.

I call Jesus all of those things because the scriptures c…

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LU:  I think the Jews accused Jesus of claiming to be the Yahweh that had been seen by Abraham and Jacob, for instance.

Jesus couldn’t possibly be God then, since no man has ever seen God (John 1:18 – written long after John and thousands of men on earth had seen Jesus).  John’s claim also includes Abraham and Jacob – and is supported by Yahweh H…[Read more]

Jodi:  God gave his only begotten Son unto death on the cross whereby the sins of the world were forgiven. When Jesus died the only begotten Son was thus dead. When Jesus rose receiving the promised Spirit he became a firstborn of what will become many. So technically right now he currently is an only begotten, but the promise is that we will be…

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Proclaimer:  Mike, clouds are water and are above the waters that are beneath the expanse.

Are you honestly still not getting this?  Or are you just pretending you can’t grasp this easy concept because your pride won’t let you acknowledge that you were wrong?

Here is the passage using your own preferred terminology once again…

Genesis 1… 6And…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike….. The other site that stoped your stupidity was right in doing what they do…

So you’re okay with censorship of free speech?  I wonder how you’ll feel when social media censors all talk about God and the Bible because to them, it is right to “stop your stupidity” for believing in a magical sky daddy, his magical son who now lives in…[Read more]

Now that your theory that clouds are the waters ABOVE the firmament/heaven/expanse/sky has been debunked, what is your new explanation for these waters above?

In your worldview, what could the waters above the sun, moon, stars and heaven itself possibly be?

Talk about clouds, sir. Thank you.

Proclaimer: I’ve been patient with Mike. But this has come to a logical end. I’ve given Mike one last lifeline.

Bring back the sun Mike.

If you can’t do it, its game over.

Waiting…

Patient with ME?  😆  Says the guy who kept me waiting for six weeks because he “couldn’t find” an answer that was one day and one post removed from his question -…[Read more]

Danny: Proclaimer, Mike and Gene,

There is a book from a guy named William Carpenter.
Title: One Hundred Proofs that the Earth is Not a Globe
From the year 1885!!

Yes sir!  Eric Dubay took many of his 200 proofs from this book and another one that I can’t remember the name of right now.

Did you know they were still teaching flat earth in p…[Read more]

Gene:  Proclaimer……. Mike is sabtaging your site, With this “flate earth”  garbage,  there is no point in continue this .

They shut down my thread on the BioLogos website last week.  It went like this…

Them:  If you are going to take the Biblical AGE of our world seriously, then to avoid being a hypocrite, you must also take the Biblical SHAP…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Just think of the word ‘sky’ as I have mentioned before. Waters below (the sea), and above (clouds). So clouds are above right. They are above the waters below the expanse.

The waters are above the firmament itself, Proclaimer.  So if you want to erroneously call the firmament “sky”, then you must explain the waters ABOVE the sky i…[Read more]

Proclaimer, when do you suppose you might attempt to address some of MY points?

I want to know what you think the horizon is.  And I want to know how the waters ABOVE the raqia could be the clouds when the sun, moon, and stars are IN the raqia.

Proclaimer, when do you suppose you might attempt to address some of MY points?

I want to know what you think the horizon is.  And I want to know how the waters ABOVE the raqia could be the clouds when the sun, moon, and stars are IN the raqia.

Thanks.

Proclaimer:  Show the sun disappearing over the curve,  then bring it back. You could do this yourself if the earth was flat. But since you don’t live near the coast, then show me another video of that.

Okay.

Proclaimer, the long article you quoted has a lot of problems that I can go into if you’d like.  But right now I just want to point out that it didn’t even address the waters above that the firmament supports.  Or that these waters above are still there.  Or that God opened floodgates in the firmament to let some of those waters flood the ea…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  What you need to show is the sun going down like these boats that you guys show, and bring it back.

I just did show you that.

Danny: Hi Proclaimer,

You asked Mike: So what is your view on Eric Dubay?

I only accept Eric’s ebook about the flat earth.
I distance myself from what Eric had to say about Hitler, Holocaust and
from Eric’s esoteric world view as well.

Same, Danny.  He brought so many people to the truth of our flat earth.  I tend to agree with him about Hitler…[Read more]