T8:  Because it refutes your point that our view of the sun circuit etc is wrong because we argue our model creates these observations based on perspective because your theory relies on perspective too.

Does scripture actually say anywhere that the sun “sets” or “rises”?  I haven’t done an exhaustive investigation, but I just checked the Hebrew an…[Read more]

T8:  Flat Earthers have been debunking flight paths for some time.

What the flat earthers have done with success is show that flights like these really do exist…

… while flights like these do not…

Notice in the first one how the stopover makes perfect sense on the flat earth map, but no sense on the globe.  It is the same fo…[Read more]

Ed:  Hi Mike,

No …Corrupted perversions of God’s word mean NOTHING to me;
here’s what Micah 5:2 actually says:

“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah,
yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose
goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” (Micah 5:2)

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D4T:  Hey Nick, play along here. Can you agree with the “expert” that says “Chicago is behind the horizon, we should not be able to see it”?

Yeah Nick.  The entirety of your contributions in this thread have been snarky, condescending ad hominem attacks.  Why not join in the actual discussion for once?

D4T:  Mike, I’ve heard you ask for an explanation of the eclipse of the moon from the top down a number of times. Have you gotten an explanation yet? Or even a guess?

All I can say is that it doesn’t seem remotely possible on a globe. Anyone?

T8 posited a theory yesterday –  but I couldn’t really get a grasp on what he was saying.  Kathi seems t…[Read more]

T8:  I haven’t got time to analyse this, but here is someone who took the time to do it.

You do realize that none of the images your source used are the Nowicki skyline image, right?  Before over-analyzing them, let’s first agree on one simple fact…

Not one bit of any of those actual (as opposed to refracted) buildings would be visible from…[Read more]

T8:  During a Blood Moon, if you were standing in the right place, you would see the Earth’s shadow cast fully on the moon right giving that reddish glow. And if you were close to that location but perhaps north or south of the exact location, then you would see a partial shadow right and by extension of that, part of the light would shine thr…

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“During the season when the lakes are generally colder than the air over them–April to August, but particularly in the spring–they extract heat from the overlying atmosphere.”

• http://geo.msu.edu/extra/geogmich/gl_impacts.html

This picture was taken April 28th, 2015…

So the surface temperature is colder than the air temperature at that…[Read more]

T8:  If the ground, or water, surface is colder than the air above it, a cold, dense layer of air forms close to the surface, causing light to be refracted downward…

And so you can see yet another example of how one heliocentric argument kills another.  In the selenelion eclipses, when we can see both the sun and moon above the earth at the sa…[Read more]

Ed:  Yes I agree simple one part questions are easily answered AND easily understood.

However, two part questions answered as a “no” is not so easily understood…

Okay Ed, here’s a one part Yes or No question for you…

Does Micah 5:2 say that the one who would go forth from Bethlehem and rule Israel had his origins in the ancient past?  YES or NO?

miia, gyros are another proof.  They use them in airplanes (get it?  air-plane – as in something that flies in the air over the plane? 🙂 ).  A gyro is a disk of metal, and once you start it spinning in one orientation (say, level with the ground), it will maintain that same orientation regardless of how you move or rotate the cage that holds it…[Read more]

T8:  I believe that it is not perfectly level and you can see the goal is old and the fence is makeshift, so why would the field be perfectly level? 

Looks to me like a regular old high school football field.  But even if we imagine that the high school closed down, and the field has been in disrepair for decades, it would still be level, bec…[Read more]

miia:  I believe, like you do that the Earth is stationary, and the Sun and Moon and stars revolve around us, rather than what scientists lead us to believe.

But, even after the evidence you have presented, and after watching some good videos, I can’t fathom where the ends could be!

Hi miia,

I think the ends are beyond the outer ice wall, whe…[Read more]

T8, I don’t know if you watched the video about Mercury, so I thought I’d just repeat the info here.

We’re told that the diameter of Mercury is 3032 miles.  A Boeing 737 is 120 feet long.  So we’re going to shrink Mercury down to the size of a 737.

If we divide the 3032 mile diameter of Mercury by 130,000 – we get 0.023 of a mile.  If we co…[Read more]

T8:  Just because it may not fit exactly within the calculation doesn’t discredit it. You leave no margin for other factors such as atmospheric refraction.

Why should I?  Is there any evidence in the 2000 years we’ve all “known” the earth was round to suggest that refraction can raise an object which is hidden behind the curvature back up into…[Read more]

T8:  Yes we understand that point, but my view is if you ask a question honestly,  yes or no will bring out the truth in the end. While a person may use your answer as a springboard, you can easily negate that by asking them to answer yes or no. The truth will lead to the truth, so we put our best foot forward and see where it leads. And I have fa…

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T8:  You go exactly by the math, but there is probably nearly always atmospheric lensing to consider which would not make the calculation exact, unless there was zero moisture.

So you’re saying that, according to the math, D4T is right – but you don’t like what the math says and so you’re going to invoke some un-measurable phenomenon to support y…[Read more]

D4T:  Why why do we see so much or all of the lighthouse? Where is the 61 feet of curvature?

Well done.  That’s the difference between posting a video that says it debunks something, and actually doing the work to see if the claim is legit.

Hey David, I’m also thinking seriously about the Mavic Pro.  According to Neil DeGrasse Tyson, regular folks can’t go high enough or get far enough from earth to see the curve.  And that shoots down all those airline pilots and passengers who swear they can see it.  (Actually, footage from balloons at 120,000+ feet showing a perfectly flat ho…[Read more]

T8:  Mike, I went to that link you sent regarding videos of boats supposedly going over the horizon but not really, and what came up for me were videos of large ships going over the horizon and being hidden by the curvature of the Earth.

And the videos being used by FEs use small boats that are not passed the horizon, but are past the point t…

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