T8:  Let me get this straight. I cannot answer all the questions demonstrated by videos but when I find a video that debunks a point or points, then you will not watch the video. No wonder you believe the earth is flat then. Wilful ignorance is bliss.

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T8:  Actually it looks like they changed the tilt or angle of the Earth.

That’s how the graphic designer pasted the earth into the image.  He had to make sure the continents were where they were supposed to be in relation to the moon.  But there are a bunch of people who make YouTube videos as they are doing it.  You can watch them click on the…[Read more]

T8, I also did my own “camera on the ground” test with my Dad and his golf cart last weekend.  I got some good results that will help you understand why the bottoms of things “disappear” when there is no curve for them to go over.  Now I just need the time to get all these things done… and that is somewhat lacking these days.

T8:  Taken from Paekakariki Hill today. Another shot of Ruapehu.

Fantastic photo.  I will likely add it to my YouTube video, which I’ve almost finished.  While researching for the video, I discovered that while Ruapehu peaks at 9100 feet, its base rests on the Taupo Plateau, which itself varies from 2000 to 3000 feet above sea level.  So I spli…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike….interesting point abou O ZERO GRAVITY, I HAVE SOME “REAL” EXPERIANCE WITH THAT.

TRUST ME IF YOU ARE UP IN THE SKY ABOUT A 10000 FEET IN A PLANE, AND STALL IT OUT AND TURN AND DIVE BACK TO WARTH AT A SPEED FASTER THE THE PULL OF GRAVITY, YOU WILL EXPERIENCE O GRAVITE, AND I HAVE PERSONELY HELD A PINCLE AND PLACED IT AT DIFFERE…

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Mike:  Did the ancient Hebrews consider the earth to be stationary, and fixed on pillars?  YES or NO?

T8:  Probably. It looks that way from our perspective, so it is true in that sense. … Genesis seems to describe what we see and experience…

Thank you for your straightforward and honest answer, T8.  In your understanding, the world in whic…[Read more]

D4T:  Gene, you constantly bring up these “proofs” but fail to present it. Is there a reason for this?

The reason is that his only evidence is NASA images that he couldn’t possibly prove are real… while we’ve undeniably proved that many of them are clearly fake.  One of my favorites is the clip of the three ISS actors floating and preten…[Read more]

T8:  Be wise Mike. I am not saying this Atheist is a man to be admired or to aspire to. I am saying ignore the manner of this man and look only at this arguments…

And I’m saying you will know them by their fruits.  I’m also saying present one of those arguments for us to discuss.  Pick the best one that can be verified by normal everyday people like us.

T8:  …the Bible references the going down of the sun a number of times.

Why do you keep telling this falsehood?  I’ve already corrected you a number of times about it.  Let me do it again…

Psalm 19:6 NIV

It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other…

Here’s the NET Bible translation…

Psalm 19:6 NET

It emerges fr…

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Mike:  Did the ancient Hebrews consider the earth to be stationary, and fixed on pillars?  YES or NO?

Kathi:  I don’t know.

Hmm…   Well, do the scriptures say the earth is stationary and fixed on pillars?  YES or NO?

Psalm 104:5  He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.
1 Samuel 2:8  …for the pillars of the earth <…[Read more]

T8: All your doing is trying to prove the Bible is wrong whether you realise it or not.

If big bang, deep time, heliocentric cosmology is right, the Bible is wrong. If stellar, chemical and biological evolution is right, the Bible is wrong.

What I’m trying to prove is that we can trust the authority of God’s written word over the imaginative…[Read more]

Okay Kathi, the second, as Jesus fits into the scripture you quoted.
He is a “fellow servant of God” and a joint heir with me of God’s inheritance.

Test…

Interesting.  I am able to post on this thread, but five attempts on the Flat Earth thread result in this…

Kathi, I cannot quantify my love for God versus my love for Jesus.  One is my Father who gave my life to me, and the other is my brother who laid down his own life for mine.

But where do you place God’s other faithful servants like Michael and Gabriel in your two-choice scenario?  Are they God, or neighbor?  Where do you place your own ch…[Read more]

Good one. I will share it.

D4T:  Mike, great diagrams of the moon’s eclipse. Yes, I listen to Mark’s videos and I enjoyed the one you posted on the railgun!

Thanks!  🙂  I’m also working this top-down eclipse dilemma on the Quora question answering site right now.

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Kathi:  Mike,

The firmament/raqia/expanse is “heaven/shamayim according to scripture.

Yes.

Kathi:  You agree that the birds fly in the first heaven which is firmament/raqia/expanse/shamayim but you don’t realize it.

No.

Kathi:  All the layers of heaven in between the waters on earth and the waters above the expanse are in what you translate…

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T8:  Where does it say solid structure.

All throughout the scriptures and all throughout centuries of scholarly writings.  The heliocentrist source I quoted for Kathi yesterday said the idea of translating raqia as “expanse” didn’t even come up until the renaissance… so about the time of Copernicus, when people first started scrambling to twi…[Read more]

T8:  The sun sets in scripture and in the Flat Earth model, the sun doesn’t set. Time for a new model to agree with scripture right?

Or time for you to find me the Hebrew word that actually refers to a sun “setting” or “rising”.  Yeah… let’s start there.  Tick-tock…

T8:  I take it we are going to ignore the log (videos on previous page) and concentrate on the specks,

Dig, the answer is the same for the projectile gun.

Everything we think is straight including the ground is slightly curved, but not enough to notice.

The atmosphere revolves with the Earth.

So travel for long enough and you go over a n…

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