T8:  Yes, I think the size can be determined. But I think you need to know the distance to the sun.

And is there any possible way Eratosthenes could have known the distance to the sun?  Of course not.

In your attempt to avoid giving the direct, honest and correct answer to such a simple question, you have accidentally given it anyway.  You hav…[Read more]

T8:  Tyson said the shape of the earth can be determined by three wells, or did I hear that wrong?

He did make that erroneous statement, but that is neither here nor there, since the Eratosthenes experiment used only two shadows (not two wells, but one well and one stick = two shadows).   So please answer my question directly and honestly – wit…[Read more]

T8:  My best guess for 2 shadows is you first have to assume the world is round…

Mike:  Can the size and/or shape of the earth be determined by observing two shadows?  YES or NO?

Hi Kathi,

Here’s the AZ Central site…

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-science/2018/01/26/how-see-super-blue-blood-moon-over-arizona-wednesday-january-31/1063210001/

It has a slideshow of 18 photos half way down the page.  And here’s the ABC 15…[Read more]

T8:  We both already know that two wells can point to either model. 

You’ve almost answered the question directly and honestly.  Think it out… IF Eratosthenes’ experiment could “point to either model”, as you and Neil DeGrasse Tyson say, then…
Can the size and/or shape of the earth be determined by observing two shadows?  YES or NO?
 

Here’s that screenshot…

The “no reply at heaven net” link is busted too.  Comes back to me as undeliverable.  Anyway, I solved the problem.  I just have to refresh when I log back on.

T8:  Your evidence is the speck and the globe earth is the log.

In that case…

Matthew 7:5 New Living Translation

Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye.

Get rid of that log, T8.  Then you’ll be able to see well enough to help me with the speck.  😀

T8:  This video demonstrates it.

The video has “Why We Not See Bottom” plastered across it.  Thankfully, you have now learned enough from the golf cart experiment I did with my Dad to answer the guy’s question, right?  Lol.  Anyway, we’ll get into the boats on the debate thread.  That way when I show you the big boats being zoomed back in again…[Read more]

T8:  Um no. The moon doesn’t have a glossy finish. I have walls in the house that are a matte finish or wallpaper. Lights do not reflect of the walls. If I painted them with a gloss paint. then I would likely see this effect.

Come on man… really?  Light doesn’t reflect off your matte finish walls?  And although the ball in the image doesn…[Read more]

Mike:  Where is your verifiable proof that one object is “on the near side of the horizon” – as opposed to another object that isn’t?

T8:  If the boat is on the near side of the horizon, then it explains it. 

LOL.  You can’t use the thing you’re trying to prove (a curved horizon) as evidence that the observation proves the thing you’re tryi…[Read more]

Kathi: Mike, what you aren’t getting is this, when the moon goes from the bottom of the elliptic plane instead of from the top of the elliptic plane which is does once a month, the numbers would start at the bottom instead of the top. It’s simple.

And what would that matter?  Would the direction the moon was moving (up or down in the diagr…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike….you misquoted scripture concerning God’s elect…

I copied and pasted it from Bible Hub.

Gene:  But you see Mike it is, not possible to decieve the very elect…

That’s not what it says, but it’s irrelevant since neither you nor I are among the elect – which means we can be deceived.  I was for years, and you still are.

Gene:  Those 8…

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T8: Mike.

Post me the single biggest evidence for a Flat Earth besides your rendering of the scripture and I will focus on that.

While I am doing the hard yards on that, I would appreciate some evidence from you as to why you think Madagascar exists.

Let’s do that in the debate thread, so I can keep you focused.

T8:  Mike, your comments about these images proves nothing about a globe or flat earth. It just proves that it is hard to take an image of the whole earth as these are composites.

Glad to see you’ve finally admitted to learning something on this thread.  Bet you always thought they were real photos, huh?

T8:  In the meantime, look at these sat…

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D4T:  What was casting a shadow on the moon? It could NOT have been the earth! Was it even a shadow?

Hey D,

This lady shows what’s supposed to be happening based on the helical model.  You can start at 1:00 in…

It starts off making sense, until she gets to around the 180 degree mark (at 2:11 in the video).  At th…[Read more]

Gene:  It’s better you come back to reality now… its time to pull away from those wack jobs you are following.

I appreciate the sentiment, Gene, but I am convinced that, for the first time in my life, I am living in reality instead of following wack jobs.  Put it this way… if I’m wrong, then I’m in the great company of God, Jesus, King Davi…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike….all those pictures are of the earth at different times and years, haven’t you noticed the coludes are different as well as where the land masses are. Why would anyone think they are not actual photos of the earth. 

Thank you Gene for your direct answer to my question.  As for why I don’t think they are actual photos, I’m pretty…[Read more]

T8:  Mike, you know these 2d graphs / models you put up. You realise they are not entirely accurate. For a start distances and sizes are all wrong.

Yes T8… I am fully aware that I cannot represent a sun that is 93 million miles away from an earth that is 238 thousand miles away from the moon.  Thanks for pointing out the obvious that there do…[Read more]

T8:  I find this a bit disingenuous. It’s like that small boat that appears when you zoom in. The boat is on the near side of the horizon and disappears because it is too small. But going over the curve can be demonstrated with large boats like ocean liners.

Interesting… because I find it disingenuous that someone would keep making the same cla…[Read more]

T8:  I don’t think anyone thinks the bushes are being hidden by the curvature of the Earth.

Fantastic!  So on what, exactly, do you base your conclusion that the bottoms of these buildings are being hidden by the curvature of the earth?

Could it not be the same exact effect that caused the bottoms of the bushes to disappear?  It’s a serious quest…[Read more]