Mike:   1.  When was mankind finally able to PROVE that the earth is a spinning ball orbiting the sun and hurtling through space at millions of miles an hour?

 

2.  Do you finally understand that any so-called “eclipse” will work on the flat earth model, since we agree with the scriptures that say the moon is its own light source, and therefore…

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D4T:  Why mock one of the highest pinnacles of spiritual aspirations? Especially when the text ends with; “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

Is this being spiritual descerning? Hmm.

Sadly, mocking is a common tactic for those who can’t rationally address the other person’s points like an adult.  I’m pretty…[Read more]

T8:  Zech. 10:4
From Judah will come the cornerstone, from him the tent peg, from him the battle bow, from him every ruler.

Psalm 47:9
The princes of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted.

Revelation 3:12
The one who is victorious I will make a…

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Lightenup, here is that one NASA clip we talked about earlier.  NASA films most of the ISS footage on a green screen, using fake CGI.  But some of the “floating in space” footage is filmed in a zero G plane – often called a “vomit comet”.  There are tons of videos of regular people floating around in vomit comets, so it’s easy to check out.  The…[Read more]

The Potter’s Clay put out a new one just for Kathi…

T8:  People in the Southern Hemisphere can all look south and see Alpha Crucis, but that is not possible using the flat earth model.

So it’s nighttime in Australia, South Africa and South America at the same time?  🙂  Alpha Crucis moves across our flat earth in the firmament just like the other stars do.  When it’s nighttime, people can look…[Read more]

D4T:  Thanks Mike, you’re like a pillar in this community!

T8:  Mike is a concrete pillar? lol. Of course you know the Bible is full of metaphoric language.

Thanks, D!  🙂  And yes, T8, we are aware that the Bible includes metaphoric language and teachings.  But open your ears and listen to what we are actually asking you…

Psalm 75:3

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T8:  Scientists believe the moon was not always tidally locked to the Earth…

Learn to recognize indoctrination phrases like “scientists believe”.  The majority of all science articles include these words, but most don’t elaborate on them. For example, which scientists believe this?  Do all of them believe it?  Of the ones who do, on what did…[Read more]

T8:  Here’s a demonstration of how observations in the real world do not match what you would get on a Flat Earth but work perfectly fine in a Globe Earth.

On what research did you base your conclusion that star trails don’t match a flat earth?  What do you personally know about it?  Have you looked into it at all?  Or have you once again just G…[Read more]

T8:  The way the Solar System works, it can clearly be demonstrated to fit the math and historical data.

Do you actually know something about the way the so-called solar system works?  Are you fluent in the math, to the point we can discuss it?  If not, then I will leave you with the fact that anyone can create a mathematical formula for any…[Read more]

T8:  Try predicting the next eclipse with the Flat Earth model. You can’t.

Sure I can.  For example, I witnessed and photographed the blood moon top-down selenelion eclipse of 1-31-18, right?  I predict there will be an identical eclipse on 2-11-2036… if the world lasts until then.

T8:  So please explain how the Solar System model predic…

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T8:  Mike. Please explain how the Flat Earth model produces this effect?

It’s uncanny how you keep posting things that destroy the heliocentric model, while thinking you are making a case.  I wasn’t aware that this last eclipses was also a top-down – a complete impossibility in your model.  On top of that, look at the daylight in that video!  That…[Read more]

T8:  Mike and Dig. You need to have spiritual understanding to read the Bible. Carnal reading of scripture has led you to misunderstanding scripture combined with bad science.

Hopefully after reading the teachings of Hebrew expert Michael Heiser and Professor of Biblical Studies Pete Enns (from BioLogos), you’ll realize your error and ap…[Read more]

From the 22:35 mark of Kathi’s video, Michael Heiser’s final conclusion…

The message I want you to take away again is Genesis is about theological messaging.  And if we look at Genesis this way, it doesn’t matter that Genesis and the rest of the Bible is littered with this kind of cosmological language, because God didn’t bother to change the…

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At the 21:52 mark of Kathi’s video, there is a speech by an unnamed woman who is identified only as “Flat Earth Christian”.  The speech is moving and heartfelt, and worth transcribing here…

The Bible says the earth is immovable, with a hard firmament on top of us.  It sounds to me like most people do not want to give up the lie and believe t…

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From the 11 minute mark of Kathi’s video…

Job 22:13-14

But you say, ‘What does God know?  Can he judge through the deep darkness?  Thick clouds veil him, so that he does not see, and he walks on the vault of heaven.’

 

Amos 9:6

…who builds his upper chambers in the heavens and founds his vault upon the earth…

 

Job 26:11

The …

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From the 10:15 mark of Kathi’s video…

Job 37:18

Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard (haszaq) as a cast metal (mutsaq) mirror?

Heiser’s commentary…

“Mutsaq” is the same word used in the casting of the laver of the tabernacle, where they would wash. It’s  solid.  It’s also the same terminology used for flint rock.  Again, these pa…

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From the 8:45 mark of Kathi’s video…

Proverbs 8:27-28

When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep…

Heiser’s commentary…

“Made firm” is “amats” in Hebrew.  It is the same verb for letting a tree grow firm; hard…

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D4T:  T8, I guess you didn’t watch the video that LU posted, it was excellent! In it a noted Hebrew scholar, Dr. Michael Heiser gave the evidence that the ancient Hebrews did indeed believe in literal pillars and the hard firmament and that is indeed what the Bible teaches. His conclusion was that the Bible is simply wrong or not true about thes…

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D4T:  That’s a good video, LU… I like that one of the best Hebrew scholars can give us information about what the Bible teaches about the shape of the earth. 

I also thoroughly enjoyed that Michael Heiser teaching, so thank you for sharing it, Kathi.  I still remember back when you first turned me onto Michael and his teaching on the Divin…[Read more]