T8:  I do not believe that pillars are suppose to ever mean literal physical pillars holding up the physical land…

But what did they believe?

T8:  Further, many who wrote scripture probably didn’t understand it especially prophecy, but of those who understood what they were writing, I am taking it they understood the real meaning of pillar whic…

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T8: Who told you that?

Nobody explicitly told me Stephen Hawking carried on spontaneous conversations via his machine.  Just like nobody has explicitly told any of us that Space X rockets landing on floating barges is real.  Here’s how I said it to Kathi earlier in the thread…

Mike:  …I should have known that the questions and answe…

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D4T:  Did you not really understand Mike’s point? Really?

It’s very simple. If you cannot see an airplane of the approximate size of the ISS from 100 miles away why would you expect to see the ISS at more than twice that distance?

Well actually it was your point.  I just stole it and ran with it.  😀

But a simple Google search would have told Ge…[Read more]

T8:  Ignorance Abounds…

Let’s see if you can cherry pick only what you think is the best argument from the video, and present it to us in your own words.  I’m betting you can’t.  I’m betting the only thing you even know about this topic is how to do a search for “Debunk Flat Earth”, and post videos that you probably didn’t even watch, and whi…[Read more]

T8:  Since the beginning of this discussion, I haven’t edged any closer to believing the earth is flat. The evidence seems poor and it requires that you throw out anything to the contrary which is a mountain of evidence.

That last bolded part is your biggest problem.  You truly believe that there is a mountain of evidence for the heliocentric mode…[Read more]

T8:  Mike. most of your points about the earth being too small form the moon and comments regarding scale are moot because camera lenses can be wide angle to zoom. I love taking photos myself and you use the lens that captures all of the subject you want captured. So if I had the opportunity to photograph the earth from the moon, I would pull o…

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T8: Just a quick question though. Do you believe in Bigfoot.

Let’s just worry about you giving honest, direct, and succinct answers to the question I’ve already asked before you start asking your own, okay?  Thanks.

It is well noted that you think flat earth is silly and to be ridiculed.  But your opinions stem from your indoctrination, not p…[Read more]

T8:  I would argue that the foundation for many things are his laws…

But how did the writers of scripture and their contemporaries understand the “foundation”, “pillars” and “firmament (hard sky)” we’re currently discussing?  I just want an honest, direct, and succinct answer to the question I actually asked please.

Mike:  What did those who wrote the scriptures and their contemporaries think they were made of? But more importantly, did those people consider them to be real, literal pillars that held up the earth and the firmament? Or did those people believe these pillars were upstanding members of the community?

T8:  Scripture is not like a story book t…

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Los Angeles from over 100 miles away…

What will T8 and the other globers do when they no longer have refraction as their get out of jail free card?  Refraction?  No problem with infrared, because it cuts right through the haze and atmospheric distortions.  You can actually see the point where the ocean meets the beach… from 100 miles aw…[Read more]

Tick-tock…

Ed: I don’t know – I always had doubts to whether that was really him communicating or not.

I never really gave it any thought.  They told me he could carry on spontaneous communication through his high tech Intel machine, and I just blindly believed he could.  I’m not that gullible anymore.

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Kathi:  I think anyone who believes that…tv specials…aren’t prepared in advance…by the use of…scripting and/or rehearsing…is gullible…

I really don’t see what the fuss is about. I would assume they gave the guy his questions beforehand to prepare the answers for.

T8:  I agree LU. There is nothing to see here.

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I can go along with that.  Especially when these screenshots of different times during that video show what appears to be a script on Hawking’s computer – as opposed to a cursor continuously scrolling over letters and words like he described in his article…

This one even has a paragraph highlighted…

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Fair enough, Kathi.  But surely you have an opinion on the matter, right?  Do you believe Stephen Hawking was having impromptu discussions with the hundreds of people who interviewed him through the years?  Before you answer (if in fact you do), the following is in Hawking’s own words…

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My point is this, Gene:  When you watch the ISS live footage of the earth, can you make out any airplanes on the ground?  How about airports?  How about cities?  If not, then how do you suppose we can see the ISS from earth with the naked eye?

They say the ISS orbits at about 250 miles from earth, right?  Do you think we’d still be able to see…[Read more]

A thought experiment….

The big aircraft is a Jumbo 757.   They tell us the ISS is this size…

Here it is from one mile up; can you still see it?

Here it is from 6 miles up.  Can you still make it out?

And now from 192 miles up.  Can you see the plane?

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T8:  What are these stone pillars made of?

What did those who wrote the scriptures and their contemporaries think they were made of?  But more importantly, did those people consider them to be real, literal pillars that held up the earth and the firmament?  Or did those people believe these pillars were upstanding members of the com…[Read more]

T8: Remember when you first heard the flat earth gospel and how weird you thought it was in your heart. That feeling is what all feel before they become indoctrinated into a cult. God hands people over to vanity, deception, and perverse things if the consistently push for such things. He helps them resist initially by talking to their heart and…

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