Mike:  So then every single reference to the Most High in the entire Bible using either “God” or “Yahweh” could be referring to the Father alone, and have nothing whatsoever to do with the Son?  And then that would be why they always refer to “God” and “Yahweh” as a He?

 

LU:  Yes, it “could be” referring to the Father…

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Mike: Kathi, can you provide a single verse that refers to the Most High using either “God” or “Yahweh” where it MUST BE either referring to the Son or to the Unity of both of them?  (In other words, it is explicitly spelled out for us.)

 

LU:  Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever… therefore God, Your God, has anointed You…

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Mike: Here are some names Yahweh was called in the OT…

Would you consider any of those a matter of Yahweh changing His name to a different name?

 

LU:  You copy a list of names (plural) and then not see that each of those names are different and new to the others?

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Mike: I call Jesus all of those things because the scriptures call Jesus all of those things.

 

LU:  Scripture does call Jesus the Servant to YHVH and that He is…the servant by creating all things and in many other ways. Yet you don’t believe Jesus created one thing.

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I’m still waiting for Proclaimer to answer this question…

Hey Proclaimer, which ONE of the up arrows in the right image point to the throne of God in heaven?

Jodi: Hi Mike,

Sounds great, start the thread! 

I decided to start addressing your preexistent points here, but I’m happy to delve into it in a separate thread if you (or Kathi) prefer.  (Sorry, I’m addressing past posts in chronological order, and just now came to this post of yours.  But it’s not hard to copy and paste my previous post to a new…[Read more]

Jodi: Jesus is the prophet like that of Moses.

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your G…

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Mike: Why did you start in verse 20, and also disregard what I just showed you from verses 18 and 19?

Jodi:  I did not disregard this, I explain my position to this scripture directly when I said and put in bold, ” We are directly told that the PURPOSE of the virgin birth was for a SIGN and being that it was a virgin birth, it would ther…

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Mike:  All that being said, let’s run with your understanding that the Jews accused Jesus of claiming to be the Yahweh who could be seen by men.

Did Jesus affirm their accusation or deny it?

 

LU: Jesus confirmed that He is properly called “God.” If the created beings were called god, how much more the uncreated and only begotten Son of God wou…

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Mike: Do you have any NT scriptural support that the Jews of Jesus’ time on earth were aware of a “Yahweh Unity”, and knew that one of the Yahwehs could be seen by men, while the other could not?

 

LU:  John 14: 7-11

“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

Since Jesus is the…

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Mike:  Men have, however, seen spirit messengers of Yahweh in the Bible, and often address these messengers of Yahweh as “Yahweh”.

 

LU:  There are messengers that pass on YHVH’s words and there is the image of YHVH, the Son who is speaking…

All of God’s spirit sons are made in His image, hence, “Let US make man in OUR image”.  The bottom l…[Read more]

Mike:  Jesus couldn’t possibly be God then, since no man has ever seen God (John 1:18 – written long after John and thousands of men on earth had seen Jesus).  John’s claim also includes Abraham and Jacob – and is supported by Yahweh Himself, …

 

LU:  Evidently, the Father is unseen, His image…the Son, can be seen.

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Jodi: Psalms 2 is a prophecy…

Jesus was anointed of the Spirit and sent out into the world where he would be persecuted unto his death by wicked rulers for the works he did through the Spirit. They had no clue that he would rise from the dead to become a kings of kings and bring forth wrath upon the wicked.

Pslam 2:6 Yet have I set my king u…

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Jodi: Hi Mike,

I do not believe at all that Paul is speaking of two creations in Colossians 1.

The context clearly shows Paul is speaking of one creation, giving further clarity of that creation spoken of in verse 15 in verse 18, where Paul is speaking of he who was raised from the dead receiving his inheritance…

Coll 2:15 Who is the image…

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Gene:  Mike……You do realize,  don’t you?, Holding on to this flat earth thing put you in the catagory of some of this earths most ignorant people that now exists. It causes people to doubt everything you say Mike.

Gene, what does it mean when an idiot calls YOU an idiot?  Something for you to think about.

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Mike:  GENE AND PROCLAIMER, KNOWING NOW THAT “CLOUDS” CAN’T POSSIBLY BE THE WATERS ABOVE THE PLACE THAT THE SUN, MOON AND STARS ARE IN – WHAT IS YOUR NEW ANSWER TO WHAT THE WATERS ABOVE THE RAQIA ARE?  THANKS.

 

Proclaimer:  Oh boy. Looks like you need a cartoon. You still don’t get it. Lol. Why don’t you discuss a subject that you can understan…

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Jodi: Let’s start with, “Yahweh created me as the first of His works” and your claim this supports a pre-existing Jesus.

This passages from Proverbs 8 is not speaking of Jesus, it is speaking of the Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding, to which the Son of Man Jesus himself received at the river Jordan fulfilling God’s word spoken by the prophet…

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LU: Berean,

You said:

Conclusion :

FATHER IS GOOD

The SON IS GOOD
Absolutely Berean, AMEN!

God is good.  The Son of God is good.

Can I get an “absolutely, AMEN!” too, Kathi?

Okay… while Proclaimer and Gene lick their wounds and try to come up with their next unscriptural explanation for what the waters ABOVE the place where the sun, moon and stars are, I can finally move on to my next of dozens of direct arguments that Proclaimer has run away from for many months.
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Proclaimer:  Further, God dwells in the heaven / raqia / sky / space. Yet, I bet you do not believe he is embedded in a glass dome or floats under it. So you might need to understand that there could be three heavens and heavens / raqia / sky / space covers a lot of area and can be applied specifically to different layers.

The raqia was the…[Read more]