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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 8 months ago

    Hi all,Paul said all things come FROM God THROUGH Jesus. Can you see the difference between that statement and the one that the Trinitarians try to push. They say all things come from God AND Jesus. That is not what the Scriptures teach. John said THROUGH him all things came into existence and without him nothing was made that has been made.…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2010,13:39)We who follow the way of Jesus, having been reborn from above, are not saved by our own works as we rely on the works of Jesus, yet these folk are. They are surprised to be given mercy but we should not be surprised but know our names are written in heaven. To be found in this Mt25 judgement is not our hope…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 26 2010,05:07)It was Jesus who led them out of Egypt:5Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. Jude 5 ESVHi thinker,I thought you believed in a trinity of three separate, equal persons.  If it was…[Read more]

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    Hi Gene,What are you saying? I'm confused. You say the Word was not Jesus but God Himself?

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 16 years, 8 months ago

    Hi All,1. Why didn't God teach from the very beginning of man that He consisted of three separate, yet equal persons?2. Why would there be no explicit instructions given in the Bible that we should worship God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit as equals. For example, Jesus saying, “The Father and Son and Holy Spirit are all God, if you want…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 26 2010,03:25)Shall I post the scriptures where Jesus is standing in the throne of God?Blessings WJHi WJ,It says “in the midst” of God's throne.  It also says the four beasts are “in the midst” of the throne.  7:10 says:Quote And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, a…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2010,09:27)That judgement shown in Mt 25 is of works as they have not been found in Christ and now can only hope for mercy according to their actions towards the brothers.Hi Nick,Thanks for your wonderful insight on the “children” verse.  I agree.  But this quote is what I need explained.Thanks,mike

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    Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 25 2010,11:08)You did not pay attention to my post too well. God said, “Let US make man in OUR IMAGE.”We are in the image of God ALONE. Therefore the “US” is the plural God and no others.Hi thinkerDo you take the word “image” literally?  Do you think God has bowel movements or has to blow his nose or stinks when he…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 25 2010,11:02)Mike said:Quote I don't know if that statement is in John, I know it is in Matthew.The statement is found in John 5:19.Mike:Quote The Jews said, “the only Father we have is God.”This expressed their rejection of Jesus as the Son of God. They were being dishonest.Mike:Quote Thinker, when will you stop?  JA…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 25 2010,04:15)“All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”You have no clue about biblical “representation” or “deputization.” They may entertain all your funny ideas in th UK…[Read more]

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    Hi Kathi,I want to thank both you and JustAskin for the kind words. I will ask the Father for guidance.peace and love to both of youmike

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    Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 25 2010,06:28)You ignore the scriptures which say that God is a PLURAL being:Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the e…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 25 2010,02:58)Mikeboll said to WJ:Quote I have heard the “making himself equal to God” argument before, but it doesn't hold up.Mike,The statement that Jesus was “making Himself equal with God” is the apostle John's comment. If John's assessment was in error then we cannot trust his narrative at all. Right?Mike:Quote And…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2010,09:27)That judgement shown in Mt 25 is of works as they have not been found in Christ and now can only hope for mercy according to their actions towards the brothers.Sorry, wrong quote. Please explain what you mean.

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2010,09:27)At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.Hi Nick,Please explain.Thanks, mike

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    Hi Thinker,I was just reading Marty's response to your post and had to smile.  First, you bring up your point that the Father didn't necessarily “give” all things to Jesus:Quote First, where in John 16 did Jesus say that the Father gave Him all things? He simply said that “all that the Father has is Mine.” Jesus did not say that His Father gave…[Read more]

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    Hi All,Hey Gene, I think I finally got it.  Thanks for explaining it so well.  Fear Him who can throw your soul in Gehenna basically means fear Him who after you die has the choice of bringing you back.It's so simple, but I wouldn't have got there without you guys.Thanks againpeace and lovemike

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 22 2010,15:53)Mikeboil……the word used there is not Garanna but GRAVE. It comes from the English word Hellos , which simply means to bury. Some like Nic uses Shilo, which also means grave.Hi Gene,I appreciate your help and support always (even if you do call me mikeboil.  It's BOLL :D )The word is actually Gehenna,…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 23 2010,06:14)CA,Thanks for providing the abundance of contradictory statements in the Watch Tower. Now we know where David gets it from.thinkerHi All,Most of my family is Jehovah's Witnesses.  I'm not because I don't agree with some of their interpretation of Scripture.  But they will be the first ones to say that they h…[Read more]

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    Hi Kathi,  I forgot to comment on one of your thoughts:Quote Very good, you are right, it does say that the Pharisees were with Jesus but what you missed is that only a few verses later the Pharisees are about to stone Jesus for making Himself out to be God.  So, they are having a fierce reaction to the accumulation of events that happened in a s…[Read more]

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