Good post WJ,I can't wait to respond! mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2010,05:31)Two, Jesus definitely does not imply they are not co-equal!Whoa!Which NT have you been reading?  I can't even count the times or ways that Jesus refers to his subserviance to God.mike

Quote (Lightenup @ April 11 2010,03:57)Mike,It doesn't seem odd to meYou just wait, little missy! I'm getting there.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2010,05:39)And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat…[Read more]

Hi Thinker,You said:Quote Even if I agreed that “pasa ktisis” was used elsewhere for the whole created order it definitely refers to “all mankind” in Colossians 1.It is a big leap for you to use the word “definitely” for something that is only your conjecture, and not supported by the leading scholoars, don't you think?You said:Quote “pasa ktisis”…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2010,12:28)Scripture calls these two angels, who passed the tests Jesus proposed to prove they have a physical presence, men.  I doubt these two angels are human beings but rather they only resemble human beings.Hi Kerwin,This shows that angels, which are spirit beings, can take on the form of a man.  And we know that J…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2010,13:08)MikeWJ just calls you false teacher ,read is quoteHi Terra,I don't think that was meant toward me, but I could be wrong.  Anyway, I don't want the title of teacher at all.   I'm an infant barely getting ready for solid food at this point.  It is the Scriptures that teach, especially the words of our Wo…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2010,02:48)martianSo you say with your bias, but you have no Biblical proof!We do have evidence in the Hebrew scriptures of a plural God as Jack has pointed out, and our Lord Jesus speaks of the Trinity, whether you see it that way or not!Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 11 2010,03:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2010,11:22)My point is, from a trinitarian view, not my view, why two thrones?  If Jesus is God, why does he not sit on God's throne only, why does he need his own.MikeThe bigger question is why Jesus is able to sit in YWHHs throne and sharing the Glory of God?WJHi WJ,Is…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 09 2010,22:04)Quote I was actually hoping for some trinitarians to pipe in with their explanation, but it seems I've only strengthened Kathi's belief in two God's.  Bummer. peace and love to you all,mikeMike. Pay attention.In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation–having also…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 10 2010,00:41)There are many more thrones than two.e.g., Matthew 19:28Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.Revelation 4:4Surrounding the throne were…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2010,12:14)What are you talking about? I don't know about all other instances because I have not delved into the name “Christ” everywhere it is used in the genetive. Why would it matter?Hi Thinker,My thought is this…. If there are other instances that Christ was genetive, but is translated as “with” to make sense of…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2010,09:57)So we must find an example where human kings used the so called “plural of majesty.”Hi Thinker,Isn't the Moses example close enough? Does it have to be a king? And you apparently are willing to blow off the fact that if it isn't a “plural of majesty”, then we all have more than one God. The word means…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ April 10 2010,04:32)For the poorly educated among us.Hi Martian,I am as well poorly educated. But unlike thinker, I am eagerly willing to learn ever more about the Scriptures. Thank you for your post! I loved and deeply appreciated gaining this knowledge.peace and love,mike

Quote (thethinker @ April 09 2010,20:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2010,16:45)Hi thinker,Here's the scoop from the Jehovah's Witnesses:JESUS called God “the only true God.” (John 17:3) Never did he refer to God as a deity of plural persons. That is why nowhere in the Bible is anyone but Jehovah called Almighty. Otherwise, it voids the mea…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 10 2010,07:17)Mike, You are asking me to do your research for you. I don't have the time to look up the word “Christ” in every instance when it is genetive and see how it is translated. Come on! It is clearly genetive in Romans 8 as also the word “God” is genetive. I gave you two literal translations. What more do you…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 10 2010,05:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2010,22:34)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 09 2010,13:54)Any subject, the Holy Spirit is my favorite.Hi WJ,Why not put your two cents in the “why two thrones” topic, then?peace and love,mikeMikeWe already have a debate, when we are done I will take it up with you!WJHi WJ,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2010,16:56)Angels are not human beings but seem instead to be a variety of different beings.Hi Kerwin,I'm not an expert and can't say I know for sure, but are angels men?  I think they are spirit creatures and will look into it.  Do they have bodies?  Please show scriptures that supports both.And I don't understand how De…[Read more]

Hi thinker,Here's the scoop from the Jehovah's Witnesses:JESUS called God “the only true God.” (John 17:3) Never did he refer to God as a deity of plural persons. That is why nowhere in the Bible is anyone but Jehovah called Almighty. Otherwise, it voids the meaning of the word “almighty.” Neither Jesus nor the holy spirit is ever called that, f…[Read more]

Hi Thinker,You said:Quote You gave me no “context” to work with. I gave you the context of John saying a bird was a part of “all creation”.  What words would John have used?You said:Quote The problem FOR YOU is that I can impose your exaggeration theory into verse 6. I can say that Paul was using exaggeration when he said that Jesus is the…[Read more]