Hi Thinker,What is the “elohim and echad” doing in our debate? mike

Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2010,13:42)Mike,Please give me book, chapter for your passage. Is it in Isaiah? What chapter? Thanks! KHi Kathi,I thought you saw Ed's answer to that. Sorry. It is from Isaiah 10 in the NWT. peace and love,mike

Hi WJ, Okay.  I will gladly answer everything in your post.  (In fact, I'm chomping at the bit to do it)  But it is getting to stretched out.  Many points get lost in the shuffle.  What is wrong with one point at a time?  Do you not have anymore Scriptures that you can interpret to mean that John thought Jesus was God?  Because I have (rough…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,I'm in Isaiah now, my third reading of the Word of God. I will make notes as I see other attributed to “the hand of God”.peace and love,mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 21 2010,18:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2010,20:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2010,16:16)So tell me once again without all the spin how that if all things come through the Father and Jesus how Jesus is not equally God?Okay WJ,No spin, just a simple question you refuse to answer.  Does Scripture say…[Read more]

Hi Thinker,  You said:Quote First, this was an intersessory prayer by Jesus. He prayed this in our behalf. Jesus did NOT address His Father as “My Lord.” No, it wasn't actually a “prayer” at all.  Jesus, filled with joy through the Holy Spirit, just felt the need to publicly praise his Lord.  Nothing was asked on our behalf.  So Jesus did rec…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 21 2010,14:02)Remember the whole Lord God with the Outstretched Arm who is presented as one.Hi Kathi,I looked all over for the “outstretched arm” posts last weekend, but couldn't find them.  So since you brought it up again, read this:In view of all this his anger has not turned back, but his hand is stretched out still.…[Read more]

OH BOY! I sure hope you post fast. I just finished reading the rest of your bigger than life post, and I have steam coming out of my ears. You misrepresent the truth as well as your buddy, Jack. I'm praying for patience, for I want the points in your post to be answered one by one – so no one can pick and choose what he wants to answer…[Read more]

Hi WJ,Mike, why do you insist on circular reasoning by making the argument that John 1:1c being anarthrous requires the definite article to prove that the word “Theos” in John 1:1b has the same meaning as John 1:1c when in fact it has been shown you that the word Theos in many cases does not have the definite article, and not even once is the wor…[Read more]

Quote (princess of the king @ April 21 2010,13:06)Luk 22:28*30 `And ye are those who have remained with me in my temptations, and I appoint to you, as my Father did appoint to me, a kingdom, that ye may eat and may drink at my table, in my kingdom, and may sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.'Hi POK,What's the point? Do you think…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2010,08:46)Mike, I am understanding this as two being “Jehovah”, the Father and the Son.  The Son is able to come to earth obviously.  The Father, no one has seen except the Son.This verse helps show that:John 1:1818 No one has ever seen God. But the one and only Son is himself God and is near to the Father's heart. H…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 20 2010,18:55)I'll leave Mike to answer your list of questions but you do realise that you have exposed yourself with Scriptural untruths?Hi JA, This is not in the debate forum. Jump in anytime on any point. You are my brother in Christ, so I will speak truthfully. I agree with Nick. While I'm probably ignoring the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2010,16:16)So tell me once again without all the spin how that if all things come through the Father and Jesus how Jesus is not equally God?Okay WJ,No spin, just a simple question you refuse to answer. Does Scripture say anywhere that ALL things come FROM Jesus?peace and love,mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2010,17:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2010,23:09)Hi Thinker,Do the Scriptures say anywhere that Jesus has given power, authority, or anything else for that matter to Jehovah?MikeYes, the scriptures say Jesus will give back the Kingdom to the Father and subject himself who has all authority and power to the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2010,15:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2010,23:14)Hi WJ,Please stop with this argument.  You guys embarrass yourselves with this one.  All you're saying is that your “equal God Almighty” will soon be subjected under “the ONLY true God, Jehovah”.  Does that make sense?  Does God become less than God at any tim…[Read more]

Hi Thinker,God is ONE BEING, right?  Don't the trinitarians think that the godhead is ONE God, but made up of three separate persons?  This is the first I've heard of the godhead being made up of three separate beings, or entities.  I'm confused.You said:  “Christ's session at His Father's right hand means that He is EQUAL with His Father.”I hav…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2010,09:29)So the argument that because all things were through Jesus means that he cannot be God is a straw man also.For everything comes to us through and from Jesus also!WJHi WJ, All squares are rectangles.  But are all rectangles squares?  Everything can be said to come from God and through God and for God, e…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2010,10:40)Jesus is not “subject” to the Father at this time and he can will to do as he pleases.Hi WJ,Please stop with this argument. You guys embarrass yourselves with this one. All you're saying is that your “equal God Almighty” will soon be subjected under “the ONLY true God, Jehovah”. Does that make…[Read more]

Hi Thinker,Do the Scriptures say anywhere that Jesus has given power, authority, or anything else for that matter to Jehovah?You said:Quote This is because you believe in the God of the old covenant. God doesn't change.  And there aren't two different ones.You said:Quote Show from scripture where Christ's Father is called His “Lord.”Matthew 11:25…[Read more]

Hi Thinker,Show me how being at the “right hand” of someone means you are:a. That same being.b. Equal to that being.peace and love,mike