Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2010,17:50)Why, only God could do that, oh thats right Jesus is God!Hi WJ, No, Jesus is a servant of his God still, as explained in Acts 4. And he is a mediator between mankind and God, and therefore can't also be God. And he is a priest between mankind and God, and therefore cannot be God's priest and God at…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,That is a good question. I don't know the answer. But the only thing that matters to me right now is that 19:18 has Jehovah in the oldest manuscripts. Knowing this, how do you explain your Jehovah the Son theory? And Ed is right on one thing. You didn't fully explain how Abraham said Jehovah in verse 3, and they all answered in verse…[Read more]

Hi Thinker,I'm only going to hit the points you flawed and the new points you bring up.You said:Quote In the old testament He acts as “the Messenger of Jehovah.” And in John, Jesus says, John 13:16 NIVI tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.It says “greater”, but you and I…[Read more]

Hi Paul,Sorry about the “attitude” showing through my last post.  I wasn't mad when I wrote it, but after re-reading it, it sounds like I was.  I'm going to answer your points, after which you can choose to respond or not.  You said:Quote Explain to me why a God who is multipersonal could not have a hierarchy between those persons. Give me a ra…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2010,18:19)Mike,Thanks for your post.  It seems that whatever translation you are reading, the translators are putting in more “Jehovah's” than what is in the Hebrew as “Jehovah.”Hi Kathi,This is the info about the “extra” Jehovah's from the Watchtower.In 134 places the Jewish Sopherim (scribes) altered the original…[Read more]

Hi Thinker,I just clipped this from a post by Lightenup to Nick.NET © Notes 1 sn Appointed the Son-of-God-in-power. Most translations render the Greek participle ὁρισθέντος (Jorisqentos, from ὁρίζω, Jorizw) “declared” or “designated” in order to avoid the possible interpretation that Jesus was appointed the Son of God by the resurrection. However,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2010,10:43)The Father tells us they are one in the OT when He speaks of Himself and His Outstretched Arm as one.  We know the Outstretched Arm is the Son.Hi Kathi,I am finally taking the time to look into the outstretched arm.  It seems that you think it always refers to the Son.  I think it refers to anybody or an…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2010,10:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2010,17:18)Quote (JustAskin @ April 26 2010,05:29)“The Son of God is the Son by inheritance”.hi Kathi and Ja,I don't think that is in Scripture at all.  If so, where?peace and love,mikeMike and JA,All my boys inherited the name “son” by being begotten of me.  The Son of God got H…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 26 2010,05:29)“The Son of God is the Son by inheritance”.hi Kathi and Ja,I don't think that is in Scripture at all. If so, where?peace and love,mike

Hi Paul,I hope the holiday went well.You said:Quote This statement presupposes a unitarian perspective of YHWH.What does that mean?  If God is three equal persons, can one be “higher” than the others?You said:Quote Yes. Remember to make a distinction between the ontological and the positional Mike. It's important.Equal is equal.  Equal God d…[Read more]

Hey Thinker,I forgot you didn't answer my questions in your last post.1. How do you get “persons in a single godhead” out of a word that means “gods”. 2. Kings traditionally used this plural form of speaking when referring to themselves. Do you think that they:a. Thought themselves to be a “plurality of kings”, orb. Thought themselves to be…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ April 26 2010,04:00)'this means everlasting life, them taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and the one you sent, Jesus Christ'Hi JA,You took the words right out of my mouth. I was going to answer with the same exact Scripture after I finished my debate post to thinker.I know Jesus also says that we shouldn't expect…[Read more]

Hi Thinker,You said:Quote My answer is the same Mike.6Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.Isaiah 46:10 NIV I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ April 25 2010,13:41)When I become christ like enough I expect to be granted the privledge of exercising God's power on Earth.Hi Martian,It's clear that you have been frustrated by some of the people here.  You think it is fruitless to try.  Maybe some of it stems from your health issues, maybe not.  I pray that I will never gi…[Read more]

You said:Quote Again, Jesus said “My Father” but never “My Lord.” And again, the Father also called Jesus “Lord” (Heb. 1:10)Yes.  Jesus calls Jehovah “my God”, “my Father in heaven” and “the Lord of heaven and earth”.  The Father NEVER called Jesus “my God” or “my Lord”.You said:Quote But God called Jesus “God” (Heb. 1:8). He meant that Jesus w…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ April 25 2010,10:16)I am so very thankful that they are on this forum.Hi Martian,I think we lost that battle. There's already way more of them than us. But “the road to everlasting life has few finding it”. I also appreciate that they are here. But my reason is that I learn so much from researching their claims. With more…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ April 24 2010,12:08)I can be absent a week or a year. Still the same merry-go-round. There is no point except added frustration.Hi Martian,I've already expressed my appreciation for what you posted once. I'm doing it again now. Thank you for the info.Just because WJ and thinker and Is 1:18 are pros at the “bait and switch”…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 24 2010,11:12)“Be careful to do everything I have said to you. “DO NOT INVOKE THE NAMES OF OTHER GODS; DO NOT LET THEM BE HEARD ON YOUR LIPS”. Exod 23:13Yet you pray to the Father in the name of “a god”, how do you explain this Mike?Hi WJ,  Everything you just posted all comes down to this last Scripture.  What do y…[Read more]

Hi WJ,I've added the first part to this post to keep it together.You said:Quote Mike, why do you insist on circular reasoning by making the argument that John 1:1c being anarthrous requires the definite article to prove that the word “Theos” in John 1:1b has the same meaning as John 1:1c when in fact it has been shown you that the word Theos in…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 22 2010,16:54)WJ,I have already given Mike two scriptures which say that grace, peace and mercy or grace and peace come FROM the Father AND Jesus Christ and Mike ignored them. Then there is also the Father's word that Jesus created all things BY HIS OWN HANDS. Therefore, all creation is derived FROM Jesus.Hi…[Read more]