Hi Dennison,What form is God in? Spirit, right? The Scripture says that Jesus, who was spirit, humbled himself to become flesh. That's all. There is no inference about Jesus actually BEING God Almighty, is there?The same Paul that wrote this also wrote, “but for us there is one God, the Father”. Compare the other writings of Paul to make an…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 14 2010,21:00)How do you humble yourself by being a man if you already are a man?Who ever said that Jesus was a human before he came as flesh?mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 14 2010,20:10)is that correct or …… is are ya seeing something differnt. i kind of jungled it up a bit, but im sure u can understand the points..Hi Dennison,Sorry, but I'm not sure what the questions are.peace and love,mike

Hi Martian,What's your take on John 17:11-12? Is Jesus saying he has the name “Jehovah”?peace and love,mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 15 2010,03:39)Websters=Jesus, remember Mike?Webster’s definition also includes “having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature”, so if Jesus is not your God then that means he doesn’t have “special powers over your life and affairs”, right Mike?To the thinker and WJ,Webster’…[Read more]

Hi JA,Very good, sir. Come to think of it, Jesus never said the actual name “Jehovah” in the Scriptures, did he? He very well could have been talking about “power and authority” or the “good name” that Jehovah had made for Himself.peace and love,mike

Quote (thethinker @ May 14 2010,10:49)I basically like Mike and I am displeased that you made him look like a fool.Why, thank you thinker. I like you too.May your trinity bless your heart for that.

Quote (thethinker @ May 14 2010,06:14)To David, Mike and their JW friends Jesus is a true theos while the Father is the only true theos.Jack, Jack, Jack,How many times must I tell you? Jesus is a god in the sense that Satan is a god. A “mighty one”. But is Satan actually God? No? Well then, neither is Jesus. Stop being silly.peace and love,mike

Hi WJ,You said:Quote Your question is a non issue that’s why I chose not to answer. What are you trying to prove here? Does the Holy Spirit have a throne?No.  Although that was my question to the trinitarians in the “why two thrones” thread I started.  You response here is the same lame response you gave there.  Doesn't add up to me – THREE equa…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 14 2010,04:24)JA,You have been proven to be a false accuser and you should be banned from here. You gave Mike a cut n' paste statement by me and he used it and looked like a fool. If Mike is smart he will not trust you after this. I exposed your deceitfulness in my debate with Mike.Hi Thinker,None of this was JA's fault. I…[Read more]

Hi Thinker,You said earlier:Quote By your logic we should conclude that Ananias and Sapphira did not lie to the Father or to Jesus because the Spirit alone is mentioned (Acts 5). The narrative says that they lied to the Holy Spirit.To which I said:Quote You refer to what verses 3 and 4 say.  Tell me, what does verse 9 say?To which you said:Quote…[Read more]

Hi Thinker,You said:Quote Mike,Paul did not say that the other person (Christ) is not God. If this is what he was saying then he contradicts himself for he explicitly said that Jesus is  “God” in Titus 2:13.Paul says no such thing in Titus, and you know it.  You studied Greek for 2 years, and you know exactly what Titus 2:13 says.  The Greek ac…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,I agree with your idea of helping out another brother in Christ.I have had this same (sort of) conversation with Nick.  I think instead of just saying, “the Lord is Spirit, read 1 Cor”, one should lead another to exactly what they are looking for, if possible.  Including their own take on what those Scriptures say.I disagree with t…[Read more]

Thank you t8!Finally! That is the simple truth to answer the question Dennison put forth. “The Father and I are one” doesn't mean Jesus is God anymore than, “my hope is that they will be one with us” implies that we will be God.I read all 4 pages of this thread and kept thinking, “WHY DOESN'T SOMEBODY JUST SAY THAT?”peace and…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 14 2010,13:07)RM …………O really please show us where GOD said “He humbled himslef and became a man”? What bible are you reading,Hi Gene,Right on, brother! I've have never read that in any Bible.peace and love,mike

Hi Dennison,You said:Quote So the jews believe that Jesus was saying that he was God?Was Jesus saying that he was one with God? I know that Later he says that the Father is greater than him, but of course he is at that current limited state of humanity. Your last sentence, which I bolded, says it all.  You can't say that Jesus said the Father is…[Read more]

Hi RM,You said:Quote John 17 v5: And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. So what kind of glory did he have wellJohn 1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Greek for John 1:1 says,in  beginning  the  word  was  toward  the  god…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ May 13 2010,16:50)Yes God said he wouldn't share his glory with another, but if Jesus is God…then he isn't lol…I bet that's a brain buster? Well it's truthAlso out of Jesus' own mouth, he asked God to restore him to the glory he “shared” with him before the world was….So maybe scripture disagrees with you now?Hi RM,I think…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,That sounds reasonable enough. I just wonder how all those Greek speaking Bible scholars could have let that one slip past them. Maybe we're missing something?No matter, I'm sure you have other Scriptures that back up what these two say, right? What other Scriptures tell us that Jesus shares the name Jehovah?peace and love,mike

Hi Kathi,You said:Quote Hi Mike,Isaiah wrote as if things took place that were prophecies of future events at times.Agreed.  Like the return from exile in Babylon which hadn't happened yet at the time he wrote about it.  The return that happened because of the “arm” of Jehovah – His power.  In this case that power manifested itself in the form of…[Read more]