Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,16:32)Genesis 1:2, Psalm 104:30, Job 26:13, Job 33:4, Ezekiel 37:9, Luke 1:35…..Good. Go ahead and start with Gen 1:2.How is the Holy Spirit attributed with creation in that scripture?Then we can move on to the others.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,16:28)No it's been answered in a fragmented fashion in the dozens of posts i've written to you and others in threads you've been active in.Okay. I must have missed it. Tell me the short yes or no answer for my records.Is there any scripture that straight out says, “YHWH is three”?

Hi Paul,You said:Quote Yeshua is also a man. Born of a woman and under the law (Gal 4:4). As a man He is subject to the law, ALL of it.To which I said:  Even the Sabbath?  Or was he Lord of the Sabbath?To which you said:Quote I didn't say He was not Lord, did I?Is it just me, or are you avoiding the very point you tried to make?  Was Jesus, as a…[Read more]

Hi Roo,So many things wrong here…I don't know where to start.First of all, Gene is right.  Paul said the Father IS the head of Christ, not WAS the head of Christ.  And he said this AFTER Christ had been raised.  So your “only when he was in the flesh” arguement doesn't work here any more than it works in Acts 4 where it is made clear that Je…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2010,16:28)Hi MB, I have come to see that as the Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God the relevant sonship of Jesus began at the Jordan.Hmmm…..That's what the JW's think! Are you in bed with them now?

Thank you JA.Seriously Nick, I thought I started a thought provoking topic, but it seems you keep leading us away from it.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2010,15:01)Hi MB, A THREAD FOR YOU TO READ AND POST IN.What do you want to know?I don't know the process by which God begat His Son. I think he had to be begotten by God before anything was created or everything couldn't have come into existence through him.I think he was begotten again as flesh.I think he was begotten…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 30 2010,15:51)Mike,The new Trinity doctrine does not include 'CoEqual'.It says, 'CoEternal and CoExistent'Also, it says that the Father is the source of all things and the Son is subordinate to the father but superior to the Holy Spirit.Not all Trinitarians, it seems, are yet aware of this change or else we wouldn't be…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2010,15:46)Hi MB, A read on Romans8 will show you the ONE Spirit is spoken of in many ways in ScriptureOkay, thanks.But this thread is about the trinitarians trying to invalidate scriptures that clearly say Jesus had a beginning. And they don't do it scripturally, but by changing long standing definitions. What do you…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,15:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2010,14:58)Hi Paul,I said:  But is there any scripture that straight out says, “YHWH is three”?You said:Quote Answered.Where?  And is it a yes or no answer?  Because that is all the question requires, not a bunch of word play or conjecture.I wrote something a few years ago in answer to…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,15:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2010,14:58)So God Almighty has someone he calls “my God”?  And he equalizes his God as the same as our God.  His God is the Father.  Our God is the Father, whether you want to believe it or not.  These are Jesus' words, not mine.Thomas emphatically declared in John 20:28 that Yeshua was…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,15:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2010,14:58)Okay.  King David was a “good” king, therefore a true king.  King Sennacherub was a “bad” king.  Was he therefore a “false king”?I gave you an explicit scriptural definition. Maybe you should use that as your framework for dismantling my argument.Okay. Then explicitly ex…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,15:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2010,14:58)Then the Holy Spirit is a false God?Do you deny that the Holy Spirit was involved in the Creation? Read Genesis 1:2.Really? Gen 1:2 doesn't say the Holy Spirit was involved in the creation any more than the water was.

Hi Paul,You said:Quote Yeshua is also a man. Born of a woman and under the law (Gal 4:4). As a man He is subject to the law, ALL of it.Even the Sabbath?  Or was he Lord of the Sabbath?You said:Quote So yes, in His humanity His Father is also His God – lest He transgress the law.So why does he still call the Father “my God” in Rev, after he has…[Read more]

Hello JA,  (Jamaican Arian)   You said:Quote God was alone, I understand, 'monogenes', is that right?No sir.  In the Greek, mono means “only”.  “Genes” comes from the root word “ginomai” meaning “generated” or “caused to exist”.  Monogenes is a term used for the Son, not the Father.  It means “only begotten”.You said:Quote (Except for KJ who is fu…[Read more]

Hi Paul,I said:  But is there any scripture that straight out says, “YHWH is three”?You said:Quote Answered.Where?  And is it a yes or no answer?  Because that is all the question requires, not a bunch of word play or conjecture.You said:Quote No. Satan is a “false” god beause he is part of creation and not the Creator. This is the Bible's cr…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,14:22)My only God is YHWH.But Jesus says his God is the Father.  Paul also says this.  YHWH is the name of the Father.  YHWH is ONE, not three.First your trinitarian brethren try to emasculate the divine name by saying neither Jesus nor the apostles ever used it.  They say it “translates into” Lord and God and no one…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2010,13:40)4mbOkay, I read it all. What's the point? What are you trying to tell me? Just speak English, man.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2010,14:08)Hi MB, Jesus is only alive in the Spirit of His God. He and his God can now be known in the communion of that Spirit.Hi Nick,I one sense, anything anywhere that is alive is only alive because of God's life giving spirit. But to say that Jesus is only alive in God's Spirit is to say that same thing about…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,12:27)Hey Roo,I'm still waiting for your answer.  Is the Father your ONLY God?peace and love,mikeIs 1:18 said:Quote If you have to equivocate over that question you need to reevaluate your theology.I'm not sure I understand the big words.  But how about it, Paul?  Is the Father your ONLY God?peace and love,mike