Hi Paul,You said:Quote This reflects what YHWH is like. He had fellowship before the creation of Heaven and Earth (John 1:1b).  Fellowship with Himself according to the trinitarians.  Fellowship with the separate being He begat to others.  Do you think God is a schitzophrenic – talking to Himself?You said:Quote Yes. Mike there's only one true Go…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 31 2010,18:12)1. The title Mighty God does not denote a lesser category deity than Almighty God.2. Yeshua is YHWH.Such is the weakness of the Arian theology….Hi Paul,I used this analogy for WJ once – he scoffed. Let's see if you can follow it.All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.Jehovah is god,…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ June 01 2010,03:40)But man did give up their birthright at the fall! That is why Christ is the favored son, placed before the rest of mankind. Not in time but in preeminence.Hi Martian,So Jesus wasn't already the favored Son as the firstborn of God BEFORE mankind even existed?peace and love,mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 01 2010,03:35)for i ams a father to Israel and (Ephraim) is my (firstborn)Hi Gene,”Ephraim” in this context refers to the northern half the nation of Israel. Judah was the southern tribes consisting of Judah, Benjamin and I believe one half tribe of Manasseh.God was saying that the nation of Israel was his firstborn,…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 31 2010,23:04)These are my last two questions so please make them comprehensible, i'm feeling a little out of my depth of understanding.1) Which DAY was 'Today', seeing that before time there were no times to make days?2) Why does God tell Jesus that He has 'begotten' him?(Possible a pronouncement for others listening to…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2010,14:53)Hi T8, I think the words born and begotten are interchangeable though monogenes is quite a different word.Hi Nick,I agree. But I have read somewhere basically what Georg posted – that “begotten” generally refers to the male parent, while “born” refers more to the female. But that is how it used to be…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 01 2010,03:08)Mike……….Amen Brother.peace and love to you and yours………………geneThanks Gene

Quote (RokkaMan @ May 31 2010,13:18)The point of MY post wasn't to establish the meaning of monogenes ect…Quote  Are you aware what the thread is about?  It's about whether or not monogenes meant begotten in the NT.  How did JA's post say anything to settle that matter?   This thread is here to debunk the trinitarian claims that Jesus pre…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 31 2010,19:51)Hi all,It seems that this is KJ's second attempt to attack mike based on fallacys…am i missing something here?Why yes….yes you are missing something Dennison.  You've missed the other 47 times he's done the same thing.  He thinks that if he yells it loud enough and adds in some ridicule and insults, p…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2010,15:27)The problem that the ATs have is there is no “unambiguous” scripture anywhere in the Bible that proves Jesus had a beginning!In the beginning before time, matter and space, Jesus who is the Word who was God always existed with the Father!Hi All,Keith, your claim above was the whole reason for me posting…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 31 2010,12:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2010,15:02)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 28 2010,04:13)Answer: Because Mike and David are polytheists. They claim that they are not polytheists because they do not “worship” lesser gods. But the commandment also said that the people may not “serve” them.Hi Roo,If I worked at McDonald's and had…[Read more]

Hi Roo,HI ALL! THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO MOVE A TOPIC AWAY FROM THE DAMNING INFORMATION CONTAINED ON ANOTHER THREAD. IT IS ONLY A DISTRACTION FOR ROO CANNOT REFUTE THE FACTS ON THE OTHER SITE. DON'T FALL FOR ITAnswer on my thread, Roo.

Quote (JustAskin @ May 31 2010,05:06)WJ and KJ are already saying that Jesus was not equal in status, level, heirachy, with God, haha.., the Father, they really meant to say…haha but is lesser in heirachy BUT equal in Nature (Not CoEqual, but CoExistent and CoEternal).Hi JA, They do that all the time! I usually just laugh to myself.Don't…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 31 2010,07:47)Ah, Mike. I see. You mean at Pentecost. Ok.The answer is 'no', because that was more of a mass baptism with the limited amounts of Holy Spirit given to each individual.Jesus' was 'without measure'No what?I don't get it. It says they were anointed by Holy Spirit, right?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2010,07:55)Hi MB, Seek to be those in the first resurrection. They do not come under judgement but have have ALREADY passed from death to life.Hi Nick,That is the hope, for sure. The second death has no hold over those.

Hi RM,You said:Quote Anyways JustAskin's post should have ended this silly debate and thread….Are you aware what the thread is about?  It's about whether or not monogenes meant begotten in the NT.  How did JA's post say anything to settle that matter? You said:Quote Anti-T views explains how Jesus can be from God but not God but still gain a…[Read more]

Hi All,JA said:Quote Begotten, to me feels like 'obtained by', 'brought about by', 'taken up by', 'adopted by'.What is this? First JA is trying to figure out begotten by deciding how it “feels” to him? Then RM says:Quote First off, Monogenes…what does that sound like to you in english?Mono = One, or onlyGenes = Biologically…seems like the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2010,07:53)Hi MB, True worship is within, in the spirit, by the Spirit, and in truth. We are the new temple and we offer a sacrifice of praise not in this place or that but whereever we are.,Okay.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,20:02)You take the whole counsel of God into account, examine all the data, reach a balanced conclusion. This is a mature approach to biblical exegesis Mike. You'll learn.

Hi Paul,You said:Quote This is a function of His deity. His conformity to the mosaic law is a function of His humanity. A paradox? Yes. But that does not invalidate it. Yeshua is a paradox to us in many ways. If He isn't a paradox to you then you haven't studied enough christology or you're not being honest with the scriptures.What?     Did you e…[Read more]