Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2010,16:15)Yet we see men in the Bible dying for Jesus and SERVING him with absolute unreserved devotion.Jesus is given the highest possible honour and devotion even to the death, and if he is not God then Christianity is committing adultery for exalting him this way! As Paul has rightly brought out, there is no…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2010,15:44)MikeYou say it is my million word post, but my post is in answer to all your points!I know, Keith. We both try to be very thorough, quoting scriptures and clearly explaining our views. And I know I usually make a post with a lot of little questions, and you do well to answer every single one of them.…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 31 2010,11:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2010,06:57)No, Keith.  A mediator cannot mediate between one party.  A mediator is someone who mediates BETWEEN two parties, and therefore CANNOT be one of the two parties.  If you're going to consistently apply your logic then Yeshua could not mediate on behalf of man either, be…[Read more]

Bump for WJ and Roo.  Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2010,15:27)The problem that the ATs have is there is no “unambiguous” scripture anywhere in the Bible that proves Jesus had a beginning!In the beginning before time, matter and space, Jesus who is the Word who was God always existed with the Father!Hi All,Keith, your claim above was the whole…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2010,10:15)Can Jehovah have an offspring begotten by Him before time and give Him His name, Jehovah. That doesn't make the offspring Jehovah the same Jehovah that gave Him life.Hi Kathi,But they didn't name him Zacharias. Can you find one person in the entire Bible who DOES have the same name as their father?peace and…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 02 2010,10:14)I am still waiting for you to show me. You have said that Moses was a “savior.” Yet Moses included himself among the delivered saying that it was the Messenger of YHWH who delivered them out of Egypt (Numbers 20:16).Hi Roo,We are told explicitly that King Saul saved Israel from the Philistines. Not to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 01 2010,15:42)LUIt doesn't matter because verse 2 says the earth and the waters already existed before day one!Therefore the “nothing came into existence without him” John 1:3 includes the light of the first day!I agree with Keith, Kathi.Water was present at the time. Water exists.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 01 2010,15:39)So the definition of the word “begotten” according to the Arian view is not a scriptural view at all is it, and isn't even consistent with the literak definition of the word?WJHi Wj,So what's the trinitarian accepted definition of “genao”?peace and love,mike

Quote (JustAskin @ June 01 2010,10:11)Hebrews 1:2 is quite clear that Jesus “APPOINTED HEIR” of all things.Why would he be “Appointed” if he were ALREADY “FIRSTBORN” over his brethren – WHO ARE HIS BRETHREN?Why does God tell him that he is His SON? That doesn't make sense by itself? It Makes sense as a PROCLAMATION, a DECLARATION of…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,That sounded so good….for a minute. Then I remembered that God created light through Jesus, right? Isn't light one of the “all things in existence”? Good night Kathi. I will pray for understanding and for the right words and scriptures needed to share that understanding with others.peace and love,mike

Quote (JustAskin @ May 31 2010,10:40)Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit at his baptism but was only 'begotten' after being raised from the dead, taken up to heaven and made 'king'.Hi JA,I gave you the url in the pm, remember? Do you remember one of the other definitions of “genao” was “used in terms of bringing another over to the truth” or…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 01 2010,14:38)T8………The term “firstborn” still references a Position even if you apply it to a literial first born son. Jesus could not have (become) the First Born Son of GOD unless He recieved it after his berth through an adoption process, because he would already have been the First Born or Begotten right? and…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,You said:Quote Paul didnt lie. god of this age, because he had authority, a God given right, to rule the darkness that man created. I thought Satan was the beginning of the darkness.  Anyway, that's exactly like it is with Jesus.  He has authority from his God to rule over anyone his God says he can rule over.  Do you agree?You sa…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 01 2010,13:42)Mike……..God gives (HIS) Glory to NO ONE. Isa 42:8…..> I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will i not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.The Glory Jesus has, is the Glory GOD placed on him and it is to the GLORY of GOD we are to give him Honor. IMOpeace and love to you and…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ June 01 2010,09:03)Christianity itself exalts Jesus as God.The power to forgiveEternalPrayed toWorshippedIf Jesus isn't the same God as The Father…Then christianity in itself has failed on that premise alone.If he is the same God as The Father, then the meaning of his death really doesn't impact you as it should (talking to…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 01 2010,04:55)I'm going away to a conference for 3 days, i'll try to reply to these posts over the weekend.Hi Paul,Have a nice trip. Seriously.peace and love,mike

Quote (Lightenup @ June 01 2010,13:12)I don't believe that anyone can show some scripture that clearly connects the Son of God with a time of His 'appointing' as firstborn as we can with the appointed firstborn that David and Israel are. So, if there was no specific appointment, then the natural meaning of the term 'firstborn' would be the…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ June 01 2010,09:11)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 30 2010,12:51)Hi, Knowing the God of Jesus and the Jews would clarify so much for those still stuck on theory.Jesus said it himself…Any glory given to the son is given to the father.Hi SF,We should all strive to do all things “to the glory of the Father”, so He “can make an answer to…[Read more]

Hi All,This is Kerwin's post, so it's his choice IMO, but I think this is not the place for individual discussions. I think all questions should be posed in a “What do you think, Kerwin?” or “How do you understand this scripture, Kerwin?” manner.Maybe I'm wrong? “What do you think, Kerwin?”peace and love,mike

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 31 2010,11:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 31 2010,07:44)Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,17:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2010,17:32)Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 30 2010,16:32)Genesis 1:2, Psalm 104:30, Job 26:13, Job 33:4, Ezekiel 37:9, Luke 1:35…..Good.  Go ahead and start with Gen 1:2.How is the Holy Spirit attributed with creation in…[Read more]