Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2010,12:07)Hi MB, Now the Lord is the Spirit. The Spirit createsThe sonship that we can follow began at the JordanHi Nick,Should we not also learn from his teachings in Proverbs and Psalms?  The wonderful counselor has actually been counseling longer than 30 A.D., IMO.Nick, how could the Father have SENT His only…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 02 2010,05:47)Seeing that the scripture no where says that Jesus was created; and that God cannot literally “beget” offspring like men beget offspring, then Jesus was “monogenes” in the sense that He was the only Son of God's kind. For “genes” simply means “kind.” Example: Homogenous means “humankind.”Hi Jack,There are…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2010,05:40)Hi MB, Jesus was the FIRST begotten from the dead. But his begettal from God was announced by God at the Jordan.We seek rebirth from above that in following him we may be joined in his resurrection.Yes Nick,He was also the firstborn of every creature, the beginning of the creation of God, and the only…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 04 2010,10:09)No that's not what WJ thinks. He does not think that the expression “Only Lord” in reference to Jesus negates the Lordship of the Father. Conversly, the expresssion “Only true God” in reference to the Father does not exclude Jesus.Hi Roo,It is not clear from the Greek that the “only” even applies to the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2010,16:33)Jude knew who Jesus was and he knew him as the “Only Lord and Master” because he believed that the Father and Jesus are “One God” and “One Lord”. So the title Lord belongs to both the Father and Jesus just as the title God!Hi WJ,You say that Jude believed that the Father and Jesus are one God and one…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 04 2010,06:46)Hi WJ,The natural definition of what a firstborn is in all these translations, has the same understanding as the son being the beginning of his father's procreative power, whether you substitute 'procreative power' with generative power, first fruits of his manhood, or first issue of virility.  In the context…[Read more]

Hi WJ,You quoted:Quote These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the “beginning (Greek, archē  – origin or cause)” of the creation of God; Rev 3:14Or it could be the first and most used definition for “arche” – beginning, right?  The other 21 times John used the word “arche” it meant “beginning”.  Why does it have to mean “o…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 04 2010,01:53)The Trinitarian debate may be an unending debate untill the Lord returns, but discussing scriptures is always a learning process no matter how long you discuss a particular topic! I have found the more I study these things the more it reinforces my belief. I am sure others can say the same thing.Right…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 03 2010,19:19)WJ said to Mikeboll:Quote You my friend preach the wrong Jesus!Keith,You're right again. Mike says that Jesus is a god in the “same sense” as satan. This is not the Jesus of the Bible and Mike is in deeeeep doo doo with the Father.JackCome on Jack.  You've been running around thread to thread crying for 2…[Read more]

Hi WJ,Shadows and dust, eh?  Is that code for “truth”? You said:Quote The scriptures you quote concerning the Father as being the “One True God” is what we believe. But we also believe that the term “One True God” is not exclusive to the Father just as the Only Lord and Master is not exclusive to the Son.But when Jesus called the Father the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2010,15:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2010,22:06)Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2010,10:15)Can Jehovah have an offspring begotten by Him before time and give Him His name, Jehovah.  That doesn't make the offspring Jehovah the same Jehovah that gave Him life.Hi Kathi,But they didn't name him Zacharias.  Can you find one p…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2010,01:52)Can you say Jesus is your “Great God and Savour” like Paul?Can you say Jesus is your “God and Savour” like Peter?WJ,Neither Peter nor Paul say these things. I have shown you. Would you like to see the Greek laid out word for word again?mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2010,06:38)The Apostles give absolute control over every area of their lives and put Jesus first place in their lives as their “Only Lord Master and called him God. Jesus was their “Prize”.Think WJ, think!If Jesus was the apostle's ONLY Lord and Master, and Jesus is the Son, that would mean the Father was not…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2010,14:52)Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 31 2010,16:14)Quote (t8 @ May 31 2010,13:07)Hey at least he changed his name from the thinker (which didn't suit) to something more accurate. After all, he does jump around quite a bit trying to dodge difficulties.I don't see it that way. Jack is an anomaly in this forum – he consistently and…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 03 2010,14:40)Yea I can judge these things for the scriptures tell us to test the Spirits and your words and doctrine does not pass the the Spiritual or the Scriptural test!WJHi WJ,Scriptures?  You mean the same ones in which Paul says:3But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 03 2010,12:25)Hi KJ, Origen was not an anointed man was he? Go back to the originalsHi All,Nick I agree completely.  There is only one reason for me quoting Eusebius .  Roo, Paul and WJ like to quote the newer trinitarian scholars who say that “firstborn of all creation” didn't really mean that in Biblical Greek.  I ha…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,You said;Quote Actually, I don't think that it matters all that much as long as you realize that the Father is greater than the Son and the Son is greater than all the rest.  Isn't that the main thing?That, plus the knowledge we are to only worship God Almighty.  If Jesus is the lesser “God” as you claim, he cannot be the Almighty.You s…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 02 2010,05:00)The name “Masterful God” is used of YHWH alone! Therefore, Jesus is JHWH!Apparently not, Roo. If it is used of Jesus, then it can't possibly be exclusive to YHVH, right?When is el shadday used of Jesus?peace and love,mike

Hi Dennison,The organization helps tons, man.  Thanks.You said:Quote you make Jesus sound like a God in training. How so?You said:Quote lol did david really ever take the Wheel?Well, he did rule over God's people for Him, didn't he?  But like Jesus, he had help and Spirit from his Creator.You said:Quote God wants to be the very center of our l…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 02 2010,02:37)Yea I can see how you say what you say being that you play the same diversionary games as Mike! Same spirit IMO.Come on Keith,When have I run from you? How many times do I say that I will discuss EVERY scripture in the Bible with you – just not all at once?If I missed something you feel is important to…[Read more]