Hi Roo,More smoke and mirrors?  You are a master magician – of that I will readily attest.  Years of practice, I assume.   You said:Quote Your view that Jesus is the firstborn of animals and plants is ABSURD and YOU KNOW IT!Flashbacks of our glorious debate that you ran out on.  Let me try a different approach.As a man, are you a part of the gro…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 07 2010,07:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2010,00:06)Look.  I have just gone through this with Paul in another thread.  He suggests I go through all the “Almightys” in the Bible and prove that each one is talking about the Father.Use in the Bible: In the Old Testament El Shaddai occurs 7 times. El Shaddai is first used in G…[Read more]

Hi Roo,You said:Quote The text does not have to say that the house receives no glory because it goes without saying. Does the house have a hand in building itself? Okay, okay.  Just so you know that your are arguing that the house has NO glory against what the scripture actually says.  Come to think of it, that is how most of your arguments go. L…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 07 2010,03:59)To 'know' Him is to love him. You are doing the same thing you just criticised Gene for.What?!?Nick said: The message of salvation is not that men can get to know ABOUT God but KNOW HIM.Do you see the wording?  NOT one thing, BUT the other.I said it must be both.  Then you started attacking me on it.  What pa…[Read more]

Hi JA,Yes, God created man the way He wanted.  And apparently He withheld the knowledge of right and wrong from us.  It is because of Satan's meddling that we have gained that knowledge.  Just think, we could have been as free as the birds, without the mental anguish of battling what our human desires tell us we want to do against the knowledge th…[Read more]

Hi JA,You said:Quote It is clear that God brought 'Jesus' into being at some point before what we now call 'Time'.Agreed.You said:Quote Since you are the one claiming that Jesus was 'Begotten as the beginning of his life (eh? Let's read it as I think you meant to write it)', it is up to you to prove that by way of Scriptural evidence.Yes, that is…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 07 2010,03:20)Mike,Not taking sides, moderating only…Nick is saying that it is not enough just to know about God, that is learn him like a school lesson with no actual meaning. For how many people actually use their school lesson learning in practical life…can't do basic math, can't speak propa', cant rite a desent…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 06 2010,11:40)Mike,Man made himself flawed through Adam. It is not a matter of Perfect man to god. God made Adam and he was to create offspring in his own likeness.God chose a nation that best pleased him from the line of Seth because Cain was unsuitable and Abel was dead.God chose Noah out of all peoples because Noah was…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 06 2010,15:13)Mike ………Question is it Possible for a word to (become) Flesh , i highly doubt it. Now if you say the word (who is GOD) came to be (IN) Jesus a flesh being , now that makes sense. Remember Jesus himself said the (words) he spoke were (NOT) His words , so a paradox seems to exist here. How could Jesus'…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2010,16:00)Hi SF, The message of salvation is not that men can get to know ABOUT God but KNOW HIM.Hi Nick,Then what is meant by, “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”?To know God, we must know a little about Him, don't you think?peace…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 06 2010,11:58)T8,I can guarantee no answer for this (How did He begin – come to be)- Mike wouldn't be asking if he knew – These are elementary turn-a-rounds (When you don't know an answer – make it into a question and put it back to your opponent – The two trinis go even further and use Negatives – – and a negative can't be…[Read more]

Hi Roo,It's funny how you and WJ only copied the last words of my post, instead of all the info that was impertinant.   You said over and over:Quote EUSEBIUS SIGNED THE REVISED CREED WHICH DEFINED ONLY BEGOTTEN AS “ONE SUBSTANCE” WITH THE FATHER!Yes Roo.  Did you maybe miss this part of my post?After nearly being excommunicated for his heresy by A…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 06 2010,16:11)Hi MikeSo what, even if what you say is true the term “Monogenes” is never given to Jesus until after he came in the flesh!How about listening to some real evidence Mike.What does Ignatius say about Jesus and his origen, “Born yet not Born”?Ignatius was a disciple of John the beloved and a friend of…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,Look.  I have just gone through this with Paul in another thread.  He suggests I go through all the “Almightys” in the Bible and prove that each one is talking about the Father.That is like someone claiming the sky is green and the grass is blue somewhere on this planet.  But to confirm this, I have to go everywhere on earth and take a pi…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 06 2010,11:30)I appreciate your posts and point of view and pretty much agree with most that you say, although I haven't read all your posts.Jesus was the Word that was with God in the beginning.The Word became flesh and we know that Jesus came in the flesh. It is the antichrist spirit that denies this.Jesus was the Word and now…[Read more]

Hi Nick,Clang!mike

Hi Dennison,You said:Quote He made man perfect, its man who made himself imperfect.  Israel wasnt a nation, it was Abraham who was chosen, the youngest out of his brothers (i think) and he was chosen out of the gentiles to make a nation he wanted. He wanted a flawless people.  As I learned a while back from Nick, scripture never says Adam was m…[Read more]

Hi All,My two cents:Jesus was begotten or “caused to exist” by his Father in the beginning.Jesus was begotten or “caused to exist” by his Father (through the Holy Spirit) and Mary.Jesus was begotten or “caused to exist” by his Father when he was raised.I've seen no evidence that he was “begotten” at the Jordan.  JA, you need to chill a little,…[Read more]

Hi Roo,Boy, that's a whole lot of smoke, mirrors and false accusations for one post.  Even for you!   First, you are the one posting evidence of how the church blatantly CHANGED what Eusebius wrote so it would fit in with their man-made doctrine.  All I did was re-post a letter from Eusebius that WJ posted in his Matt 28:19 thread.  This let…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 04 2010,19:23)Yet im also stating that only God can be king.Hi Dennison,Is this idea of yours scriptural?peace and love,mike