Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,15:40)Mike,God and the Son are both the originator of the creation of God.Hi Kathi,I think that God was the originator, Jesus was the master craftsman. Creation didn't happen because Jesus said, “I'm going to do this.” It happened because God said, “Let's do this, Son”. All things are FROM God – the originator.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2010,15:21)Hi MB, If they cannot offer any foundation there only joy is in frustrating some and confusing others who know less.Amen.

Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,15:00)Did I answer all your questions?Hi Kathi,No, not at all.  My questions were based on the Eusebius letter, how did HE understand the words in the Bible.  But that's okay, forget it.ps  If Jesus was caused to exist by God, then he is most definitely part of the group of things caused to exist by God.And be…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 08 2010,09:18)Same with the Gospel writers – They also knew with Hindsight that God would send his Only Begotten Son.Okay Jack Jr.   Now you only have to scripturally prove it.  Just show where the Bible implies that Jesus was saying God sent His “soon to be” only begotten Son into the world.And why, why, why do you i…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 08 2010,08:58)Mike, you asked me was God the Father not the Father of “Jesus” before he came to earth.Yes, he was – AND he was Father to all the other sentient created Spirits – that didn't come to earth… Thats why they are called “SONS OF GOD” Because God is their Father – Simples, yeah? “Father –> Sons” “Sons –>…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 08 2010,14:02)Hi MB, Don't wear yourself out trying to teach the deaf.Hi Nick,I know you're right.  I haven't been this infuriated since I joined HN.  They are looking square in the face of 4th century evidence that plainly says at least one man (who happened to speak the language and happened to be considered “the g…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 08 2010,04:47)TO ALL:The Greek “pasa ktisis” in the new testament ALWAYS refers to “all mankind.” Mike's own source said that the word “firstborn” has to do with one's relation in a family:Quote Before Colossians 1:15, the expression “the firstborn of” occurs upwards of 30 times in the Bible, and in each instance tha…[Read more]

Hi WJ,You said:Quote First of all you are taking the testimony of one man and denying the testimony of many including the more credible, one being Ignatius! I don't care what you think Eusebius believed.What does the majority of the forefathers believe about the words and most importantly what does the scriptures say. Jack has also pointed out…[Read more]

Hi Roo,You said:Quote No Mike! It appears that to ONE church father monogenes meant “only begotten.” THANK YOU!  That is half of what I was hoping for.  The other half is this:Do you think based on the fact that Eusebius thought Jesus was the “firstborn of every creature BEFORE ALL THE AGES”, he took “prototokos pasa ktisis” in Col 1:15 to l…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,The question was:Is Jesus a part of the group of things that God CAUSED TO EXIST?Yes or no will work nicely.You said:Quote Anyway, a son procreated by God Himself would be another God.  A being created by God Himself would be a first of his kind and not another God.  Big difference!So all of King David's sons were immediately kings of I…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 06 2010,04:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2010,13:31)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 04 2010,19:23)Yet im also stating that only God can be king.Hi Dennison,Is this idea of yours scriptural?peace and love,mikeSo God cannot be our king?1 Timothy 6:15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate,…[Read more]

Quote (katjo @ June 05 2010,14:01)mikeboll64 You might want to read my post at top of the page.kstjoHi Katjo,And you might want to read only two little scriptures:John 17:3 NIV Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.1 Corinthians 8:6 NIVyet for us there is but one God, the Father,…[Read more]

Quote (katjo @ June 05 2010,14:01)mikeboll64 You might want to read my post at top of the page.kstjoHi Katjo,And you might want to read only two little scriptures:John 17:3 NIV Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.1 Corinthians 8:6 NIVyet for us there is but one God, the Father,…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 07 2010,08:55)Ummm Mike, I think you've missed an important step here…You have to prove from the text that it is the Father of Yeshua that is in view. I'm not interested in your presuppositions, just hard evidence.Ball's in your court Mike. We await.Come on now, Paul.If there is ONLY one Almighty God, as scripture teaches,…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 07 2010,09:49)Mike,Quote I don't think anyone will argue that Jesus is not greater than Moses.Is this an error – or belief?Did you mean to say:Quote “I don't think anyone will argue that Jesus is not greater than Moses.”Hi All,Sorry for my poor choice of words.  I said: I don't think anyone will argue that Jesus is not…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 07 2010,09:11)Hi MB, What I mean is that if you want to know more about God get to know Him and He will tell you.Studying Him from afar is never going to be accurate.Hi Nick,I understand and meant no offense to you. I agree that we must both take in knowledge of God and Jesus while simultaneously praying for revelation…[Read more]

Hi JA,You said:Quote 1) Yes, Jesus was “Caused to exist at the beginning of his life”Okay.  We know he was caused to exist by God, and we know he was the only begotten Son of God BEFORE he came to earth, for he said so in John 3:16-17.  What's 1+1, JA?You said:Quote Scriptures does not say it was at Jesus' beginning that God said to Jesus “…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 07 2010,07:36)Mike,… old Dogs…, not you – the three T's – TTT – The Trinitarian Tricksters.

Quote (Lightenup @ June 07 2010,07:35)God from God, not firstborn within a group of created beings.Hi Kathi,We finally find an issue that we can unite on, and instead of lending support to the evidence supplied by Eusebius, you go off into la la land again. Is Jesus a part of the group of things that God caused to exist, or not?peace and love,mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 07 2010,07:29)Mike is the one filibustering by incessantly invoking Eusebius. I am happy to move on and get back to scripture.KJLook Roo,Let me be as clear as I can.  I don't care if Eusebius later joined the “God is a tinkerbell fairy” cult.  The fact is that he not only spoke the language the NT was written in, but w…[Read more]