Quote (karmarie @ June 10 2010,11:07)I cheaked it and your rightAuthentic letters:To the Ephesians To the Magnesians Letter to the Trallians To the Romans To the PhiladelphiansTo the Smyrnaeans To Polycarp, Bishop of SmyrnaEpistles attributed to Saint Ignatius but of spurious origin:Epistle to the TarsiansEpistle to the AntiochiansEpistle to Hero,…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 10 2010,06:59)The word “exact representation” is the Greek “charakter” and it means that in His substance Jesus is indistinguishable from God.It also means the indented image of the “engraving” tool that they stamped into metal.Jesus showed visibly the qualities of the invisible one he still calls “my God”.mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 10 2010,06:38)Eusebius obviously did not take “only begotten” to mean that Jesus had a beginning.Hey Jack,First you show proof of how the trinitarian “council” changed what Eusebius wrote so it would fit in more with their beliefs.  Second, I took this new fabricated Eusebius letter apart piece by piece and showed you…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2010,02:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2010,22:45)Quote (karmarie @ June 09 2010,13:59)Hi WJ, you took writings and misquoted them.Hi Karmarie,I didn't actually read his post, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.  He's been learning lots of nasty behaviors from his friend.  Thanks again for setting matters s…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2010,02:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 08 2010,22:38)ps I might not be done with this Ignatius fellow yet.  There are many more juicy tidbits like:I have learned that certain of the ministers of Satan have wished to disturb you, some of them asserting…..that He is Himself God over all. Mike Again, don't get to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2010,02:05)Here it also says Jesus is both born and unborn which can only mean that to him the word “begotten” does not mean that Jesus had a beginning but only that he is from the Father, from everlasting!Really WJ?First, he says we have ALSO as physician….. Therefore, one is God, the other is Jesus. Get it?…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2010,01:31)Thats because you still cannot understand the concept of plural unity. Trinitarians believe the Father and the Son are distinct in person, but not in nature or the very essence of what God is!Yes WJ,We all get it.  You think the God is a schitzophrenic and is one being with three different persons…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2010,01:27)Now if you can show us where Eusebius says Jesus had a beginning then you have a point which wouldn't matter anyway.Hi WJ,1.  What did “genao” mean in NT times?  And how can you “honestly” deny the fact that Eusebius thought Jesus to be the firstborn of every creature BEFORE ALL THE AGES?  2.  How cou…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 09 2010,15:11)Hi Mike,I just wanted to make sure you saw these words of Ignatius:But our Physician is the Only true God, the unbegotten and unapproachable, the Lord of all, the Father and Begetter of the only-begotten Son. We have also as a Physician the Lord our God, Jesus the Christ, the only-begotten Son and Word, before…[Read more]

Hi Paul and Kathi,I've been so busy with the prototokos thread that Paul is afraid to step foot on that I forgot I left you both hanging. I'll try to answer tomorrow. peace and love,mike

Quote (katjo @ June 07 2010,13:27)Your forgetting he humbled Himself(to be one of us)came into His own ;he was God and Man) and the word became flesh(john)  and returned to the glory He had before the world was. he is called our Everlasting Father. he fulfilled the scriptures and in Rev said; It it finished!katjoHi Katjo,What is that previous…[Read more]

Quote (katjo @ June 07 2010,13:27)Your forgetting he humbled Himself(to be one of us)came into His own ;he was God and Man) and the word became flesh(john)  and returned to the glory He had before the world was. he is called our Everlasting Father. he fulfilled the scriptures and in Rev said; It it finished!katjoHi Katjo,What is that previous…[Read more]

Hi JA,I found it.  It was from something Kathi posted, not Jack.NET © Notes 1 sn Appointed the Son-of-God-in-power. Most translations render the Greek participle ὁρισθέντος (Jorisqentos, from ὁρίζω, Jorizw) “declared” or “designated” in order to avoid the possible interpretation that Jesus was appointed the Son of God by the resurrect…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 09 2010,07:54)Nick Hassan, (thank you, Nick), has suggested Romans 1:4 be looked at.Tell me what you think of it.I think it means exactly what it says:  That now that Jesus has been granted “all power and authority”, something he apparently didn't have before, he was raised the Son WITH POWER.  Jack brought this up in our d…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 08 2010,17:31)Yes, Jesus, raised from the dead, begotten as head of all the sons of God, seated at the righthand of his Father, that one has, in his lifetime on earth, has made the Father known to us.And in the same way 'we' too will also be begotten of God, made Sons of God and as Sons of God, and brothers with Christ,…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ June 09 2010,13:59)Hi WJ, you took writings and misquoted them.Hi Karmarie,I didn't actually read his post, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. He's been learning lots of nasty behaviors from his friend. Thanks again for setting matters straight! peace and love,mike

Quote (karmarie @ June 09 2010,12:41)I loved Ignatius.Hi KarmarieAnd I love you for these posts!   Mainly for this part:  But our Physician is the Only true God, the unbegotten and unapproachable, the Lord of all, the Father and Begetter of the only-begotten Son. We have also as a Physician the Lord our God, Jesus the Christ, the only-begotten S…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 09 2010,06:43)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 09 2010,01:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 07 2010,21:19)Can you understand that in every instance you give, someone who is not the firstborn (the one born first) is APPOINTED with the rights of the firstborn (the one born first).  Jesus wasn't ever APPOINTED with firstborn…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 09 2010,06:23)WorshippingJesus quoted:Quote  Much more is (this true of) the Word of God, who has actually received as His own peculiar designation the name of Son. But still the tree is not severed from the root, nor the river from the fountain, nor the ray from the sun; nor, indeed, is the Word separated from…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 09 2010,02:10)MikeThen why are you denying the best witness of the Forefathers and the evidence which is Ignatius?The thing is why are you denying all ot the first and second century Fathers?Here I will post it again and see if you will comment on them this time? Ignatius the earliest of the Fathers who was appointed…[Read more]