Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2010,13:30)Hi MB,Many men are hailed as great teachers but their fruit is in doubt. But was he working in the anointing of God's Spirit? A man who dithers is no example.That's besides the point, Nick. Do you think Eusebius was capable of interpreting the NT language even if he wasn't anointed by spirit?

This is the same statement with one minor change. I bolded the changed part.“If Jesus was always GOD he would have “always” been better than the other angels and his name would “always” have been better than thiers.”Hmmmmm…….

A Jehovah's Witness concurs that Jesus could not have always been the “only begotten Son”“If Jesus was always the 'only begotten son' he would have “always” been better than the other angels and his name would “always” have been better than thiers.”

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2010,10:11)Hi KJ, The opinions of weak and carnal men offer little to truth. But he was a good enough librarianYes Nick,And he was a great teacher and theologian.  I think we've all lost site of the fact that this thread was never supposred to be about creeds or what Eusebius signed or even what his beliefs about God…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 15 2010,07:41)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 14 2010,11:16)Worshippingjesus said to Mikeboll:Quote Why are you denying the fact that Eusebius had changed his position?Keith,Mike must continue his filibuster. He can't admit that Eusebius changed his position.Did you read the true story I told about an elder at my church…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 15 2010,06:04)Quote (JustAskin @ June 15 2010,05:17)To All,Please try to abide by this information that KJ has issued.Discussion cannot move forward if inadmissable information is brought into play – whether by lack of understanding or for other reasons.JA,Thanks! I appreciate that you understand this. It is only that…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 15 2010,05:50)Kathi said:Quote The Son didn't stop being a son to become a son in the flesh.It was by becoming flesh that Jesus became a Son. Paul said that he was “born according to the seed of David and decreed to be the Son of God” (Rom. 1).Jesus could not have neen God's Son before becoming flesh because ONLY MEN…[Read more]

Hi All,Kathi had posted the Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 A.D.  The words “begotten of the Father before all worlds” are definitely in it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed#cite_note-7Roo said:Quote Kathi is not paying attention to my posts. She is really slipping up big time lately. The excerpt she gives above is from the original creed…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 15 2010,04:46)Did someone miss a trick earlier….If Mike and 'roo' are debating and Mike is also the Mediator? remind anyone of anything… So good! I'm still laughing!peace and love,mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 15 2010,02:46)WorshippingJesus said to Mikeboll:Quote Here is what is really hillarious, that you say Jesus is “a god” but he is not “your god” and you can't even say he is a god over anyone, yet you say satan is the god of this world and is a mighty god over the people of the world!What is sad is that Mike believes…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 15 2010,01:30)Mike and JAWhy should Jack agree to JA being a judge between the two who is obviously biased towards Mike and even calls him his “begotten brother”?Thats funny that you guys would even request such. Tell you what Mike, how about if someone who doesn't post here that much like Paul (Isa 1:18) be the…[Read more]

Oh WJ, what am I going to do with you?   You said:Quote Why are you denying the fact that Eusebius had changed his position?I didn't deny it, I explained his lack of choices very well, I thought.  I used Roo's info to do it.You said:Quote Its hillarious that you call on Trinitarians like Eusebius who spoke of the Trinity and you have yet to show u…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 14 2010,14:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,21:06)Quote (Lightenup @ June 14 2010,09:59)Can you just come to terms that the Son is YOUR Mighty god/God who has a God?Sorry Kathi,My God doesn't have a God He answers to.  Give it up, girl.   mikeMike,I beg to differ…Heb 1 somethingBut of the Son he says, “Your throne, O G…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 14 2010,13:05)Hi MB, At gethsemene Jesus struggled with God's leading in his life. But as the sons of God are LED BY the Spirit of God this Son showed the way and submitted.I don't read it that way, Nick. Jesus was always prepared to do his God's will. He was just hoping for a minute that God's will could be…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 14 2010,09:59)Can you just come to terms that the Son is YOUR Mighty god/God who has a God?Sorry Kathi,My God doesn't have a God He answers to. Give it up, girl. mike

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 14 2010,08:26)Hi MB, Jesus was anointed with His Father's Spirit and worked in that name. That Spirit is superior to the angels but is given for service to God even helping in the worship of GodHi Nick,Someday you will have to deal with the fact that Jesus didn't become absorbed by God's Spirit. He is still an individual…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 14 2010,10:26)Mike,Do you see in Zech that Jehovah is saying that He was valued at 30 pieces of silver?Matt 27:9-109 Then that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: “AND THEY TOOK THE THIRTY PIECES OF SILVER, THE PRICE OF THE ONE WHOSE PRICE HAD BEEN SET by the sons of Israel; 10 AND THEY GAVE THEM…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 14 2010,12:51)Yes there is an interesting argument to be had here. If it says that God sent his son, does it mean that he was the son and then was sent, or that he was sent and then become the son.e.g., it also says that God made all things through Christ. But when that happened he wasn't the Christ at that point was he?Or is it…[Read more]

Hi Gene,Thanks for the thorough answers to my questions. Some here could learn from you. You left out a reply to the Son of Man question. Was Jesus the Son of Man?And thanks for refreshing my memory about doubting John. That sure seems out of place compared with how sure he was when he baptized Jesus. I'm going to read it closer, because I…[Read more]

Hi JA,You said:Quote Was it God who gave His only begotten Son? Or was it Paul who said that 'after' the fact that Jesus was begotten?Where does God call His Son 'Begotten' before he was raised from the dead?It was John directly quoting Jesus who said to Nicodemus,16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever…[Read more]