Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 16 2010,04:44)Paul,I offered Mike one example of the Septuagint's use of “monogenes” in Psalm 25:16 where it simply means “alone.” But Mike expects us to accept his sources over the 70 Jewish scholars which Jesus and the apostles quoted 67% of the time.JackAnd as I answered you probably 47 times: Does that mean that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 16 2010,04:07)Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 15 2010,03:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2010,01:37)First, our debate at that point was supposed to only be about “prototokos pasa ktisis” and “monogenes”.  Both of us kept getting off topic.  The posts were thousands of words long and it took me hours to respond to one post.  …[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 16 2010,02:53)Actually it literally reads, “I will BECOME what I will BECOME.” This clearly indicates change. It is the same form of the verb used when God said to Moses that his rod “shall BECOME a serpent.” Therefore, the expression “I will become what I will become” necessariy indicates change which Mike swears that…[Read more]

Hi Paul,  Are we aggitated today?  “Sounds” like it.   You said:Quote You're full of excuses. Why don't you just admit you ducked the question?I take it you found no point left unaddressed by me that had to do with monogenes and pasa ktisis?   You said:Quote “I will be who I will be”” is not used in the NT at all, so your point is not a cog…[Read more]

oops,The Greek words don't say he came from heaven, sorry, that was a bad choice of words. But they do say only begotten, and I don't see any scriptural reason to assume it means anything other than the Greek words mean.I'm really going this time, later,mike

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2010,15:11)Hi MB, Monogenes does not mean that either. It seems you are reading your preconceptions into the text.God declared Jesus as His Son after He had anointed himFirst, you authoritively claim that you know what monogenes DOESN'T mean, and they accuse me of reading into it?And you support this with the fact that…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2010,15:02)Hi MB,None. But MONOGENES bears no relationship to that either.Isaac was a MONOGENES Son Both were anointedYes, and was Isaac also begotten as in “caused to exist”?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2010,14:37)Hi MB,All mankind is as grass.Jesus too was of mankind, born of woman. But we, like him, should have been born again of the living Word of God, the SpiritHi Nick,Who else was born of a human woman and God's Spirit as a Father?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2010,14:42)Hi MB, Some study on MONOGENES may show that interpretation is wide of the mark. We too can be reborn from above, begotten of the Spirit of ChristEt tu, Brute?Show me scripturally that monogenes COULD NOT have meant only begotten in a “caused to exist” way. Ignatius and Eusebius seemed to differ with you,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 15 2010,14:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2010,20:46)Hi All,Kathi had posted the Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 A.D.  The words “begotten of the Father before all worlds” are definitely in it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed#cite_note-7Roo said:Quote Kathi is not paying attention to my posts. She is really…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2010,14:32)Hi MB, So what does ONLY BEGOTTEN Mean? Certainly not that he was THE only son who was begottenHe was the only son ever begotten by God.

Quote (Lightenup @ June 15 2010,14:25)Mike,My response did not directly address your point, it indirectly addressed it. The Son is God over His kingdom and that is the point. If you are transferred into the kingdom of His Son as Col 1 suggests, then He is your God in His kingdom.Col 1:13-1413 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2010,14:18)Hi MB, And what scriptures have you found that support your idea of how this verse should be read?Well Nick,There's Rev 3:14 for sure. And there's all the scriptures that say Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Is anyone else in scripture called that? Is anyone else said to even be “begotten of God”?Is…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2010,14:06)Hi MB, Certainly only what is of scripture is useful. mem following men finish up in a pitAnd is it not in scripture that Jesus is the firstborn of every creature?

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 15 2010,10:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2010,12:21)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 09 2010,10:47)JA,Jehovah told the people not to provoke His Messenger (Exodus 23:20-25). God called His Messenger “Jehovah your God” (vs. 25). We know this was Jesus!Unfounded conjecture, Roo.  See my new post in Echad.mikeI saw your post…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2010,13:46)Hi MB, When there are sacred writings to read why would anyone bother with those of carnal men?Hi Nick,Are you saying I shouldn't bother with anything you post?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 14 2010,14:33)Mike ………. I thought, I did answer that question , I do believe Jesus (IS) a Son of Man as all Mankind is also. And i believe He became Son of GOD at the Jordan when He receives the HOLY SPIRIT (IN) to Him, Just as we also do. Except He had the (fullness) of the Spirit in Him because GOD gave him the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 14 2010,13:21)Is it like saying, the President of the USA was born in Honolulu, even though he wasn't the president yet.Hi t8,No, it is more like Obama being in Honolulu 3 years BEFORE he became the President saying, “The American people gladly GAVE me their support as President of the United States.”mike

He's just scared, Dennison. It's okay. He ran away once, so he definitely doesn't want to be locked in a cage with me again.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2010,13:33)This is the same statement with one minor change.  I bolded the changed part.“If Jesus was always GOD he would have “always” been better than the other angels and his name would “always” have been better than thiers.”Hmmmmm…….And Roo, I'll bet you didn't even notice the “OTHER angels” part, huh?But still…[Read more]