Let me rephrase it.I don't understand. YHVH is God. You say Jesus is NOT YHVH. There is only one God, so……?mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,15:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2010,07:08)Quote (RokkaMan @ June 21 2010,13:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 21 2010,09:56)Quote (RokkaMan @ June 21 2010,09:25)HI Nick Hassan,When Revelations says Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords what does that make YHVH?Hi RM,He will still be the God of gods,Psalm 136:2…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,You said:Quote and that in the end of the description it says that it pleased God that EVERYTHING I.e. All fullness dwells in him.  thats what i think it means rather than the fathers qualities. Okay, but you didn't allow for this very simple point I made:Quote IF they all are the SAME being, then any fullness one has is already the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 23 2010,18:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2010,15:09)Numbers?         Ed, I love ya and I hope you are the kind of guy who is able to laugh at himself.  Because that is FUNNY!peace and love,mikeHi Mike,Yes, I can laugh at myself but SF is referring to Marty as numbers (942767); not me.God blessEd J [Read more]

Not a clue, Dennison.But I agree we can change the word “rebuttals” to “questions”. Is that what you mean?mike

Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 24 2010,01:16)The old testament is very destructive and dark and focuses on sin and death. Read if if you wish but it has been fulfilled/completed/finished.Hi Tim,Then what do these mean?Matthew 5:17 NIV “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ June 23 2010,20:39)I will call Jesus God (Not the God but second to THE God the Father)….I dont care less what anyone thinks! SO am I a Trinitarian?Hi K,I don't think you are a trinitarian unless you also think God's Holy Spirit is God.  But, IMO what you are doing is having another God when THE God explicitly told us not to.…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 23 2010,21:49)That includes what errant Christians call the god of this world.Hi Tim,Was the Apostle Paul an “errant Christian”?mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 24 2010,05:33)It's a good thing you wised up and chose to drop the “begotten” topic.Hi Jack,You have made this comment on at least two threads now. I guess I don't understand what you are saying because “begotten” is one of the four topics that YOU said YOU would not debate. I would love to keep going on it……if…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 24 2010,06:46)sf,I will not be here much for the next few days. I have a lot of obligations. I will be researching my for my opening statement before I put it together. I want to keep you updated.I now like the idea of you revising it so that it meets standards. I don't think we need mediators so long as you post the…[Read more]

Hi WJ,You said:Quote Was the term “Monogenes” ever given to Jesus before his natural birth?I said:Quote Not that scripture records.You said:Quote Thank you. Then end of discussion right? Your confession here now means that anytime you say that the word Monogenes applies to Jesus before he came in the flesh is merely conjecture on your part. I…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,14:35)Mike,lol the truth is, I forgot….. that i posed the orginal question. so i got confused, and i had to go back to how this all started.I forget things very easily. And Gene was referrring to another thread where he posed this same question and we already butted our heads till a bloody mess and got no…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,You said:Quote God fullness dwelt in Christ, how is that possible? yet it pleased him, yet it also pleased God to crush him. let me post a question to you here mike,  are you sure it stating the fullness of the father?  or is it the fullness of all?What is this fullness?  because the scripture does not state its the fathers fu…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,13:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2010,07:11)Hi Gene,He is most likely going to hit you with the “he was in a limited, fleshly state when he said that” stuff.  But I am with you – just spit it out Dennison.  How is it that you DON'T think this is clear evidence that there is only ONE God, and that ONE is the F…[Read more]

What!?!?  Dennison BELIEVES in a plural God?  No fair – I want my mommy!   Oh brother, Roo!  Haven't you figured out that Dennison leans toward the 3 in 1 position yet?  Still I sent him everything I could think of to kick your butt about plural god – JUST so he could advise me on format.  It has been my life experience that the ones accus…[Read more]

Hi Gene,He is most likely going to hit you with the “he was in a limited, fleshly state when he said that” stuff. But I am with you – just spit it out Dennison. How is it that you DON'T think this is clear evidence that there is only ONE God, and that ONE is the Father?I'll shut up now and let you two discuss. peace and love,mike

Quote (karmarie @ June 22 2010,20:18)I realise there is only one God Almighty,  Obviously Thomas, Ignatius, and so on knew there was Almighty God the Father AND Jesus, but what I really want to know is, do any of you non Trinitarians use the title God (or god) for Jesus also, Not the Almighty God but next to God, right hand side (I know Ja its…[Read more]

Hi Jack,I said:  Quote Why don't you stop avoiding the issue and just answer my DIRECT question DIRECTLY? You said:Quote First, because I am not in the habit of taking fragmented quotes and drawing conclusions. That's YOUR method Mike. I gave you a quote from Eusebius which indicated that he “could have” thought that “all creation” meant all…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 23 2010,11:28)Mike………..You can't corner a snake in a bier patch.   peace and love to you and yours……………….geneHi Gene,That sounds like something Dr. Phil would say!   But I like it.   I've seen your frustration with this also.  It's like we ask them what letter does the word “black” start with, and…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 23 2010,02:46)Gee Mike,If I was to reread our debate (which I won't) I wonder how many points you did not answer. I can think of one though.You said:Quote For God, even the things in Rev and beyond have already happened. You can not put a time line on this Psalm. I replied:Quote Nonsense! Paul said that God calls…[Read more]