Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 27 2010,01:24)I do want to say that I will not answer ad hominen questions or arguments. If Mike should say for example: Did Eusebius believe that pasa ktisis means all mankind? This is an ad hominen question and I will not acknowledge it. I want the debate to be limited to the scriptures and extra-biblical sources such…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 27 2010,01:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2010,10:41)I thought “rebuttals” WERE questions.   I'm  good with Jack's layout, I only need to know:1.  10 questions before the rebuttals?2.  Are all 10 questions and/or rebuttals supposed to be in one post, or 10?mikeHi Mike,I need for you to comment on the reply time. I pro…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2010,01:44)To all………..Lets stay on subject here, Is Jesus (the) Word spoken of in John1:1 or is the Word Spoken of there God himself.  Remember Jesus plainly said the words he spoke were (not) his words, so who can we reconcile this difference. I believe Jesus did speak GOD the Fathers Word to us , but I…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 26 2010,21:36)JA: Thank you for the response. If in the beginning was God/good and God/good was everywhere and everything, then all that existed with God and Adam in the garden was good! God is good and God is all and in all. Has Adam chosen the tree of life/good there would have been no evil. Yet of all the avenues of…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,You said:Quote Referring to the context, i think the fullness refers to the general fullness of life and everything created. what do you think?Okay.  The NIV, which I quoted has “His fullness”.  I see from the Greek that you are right – it just says “fullness”.  But, by comparing 1:19 with 2:9, it is clear to me that it  means God…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 26 2010,20:51)Therefore, Mike, you will never get your cogent response.Mike, you like puzzling…Why did the chicken cross the road?Hi JA,It seems you are correct.  And that is too bad, really.  I just happen to believe that Ingatius and Eusebius are correct and Jesus was begotten as God's Son way before they created the h…[Read more]

Hey Jack,You ever gonna answer?mike

Hi Dennison,You said:Quote The Logic doesnt matter, if we are going to stick to bible, the bible doesnt state its the fullness of GOD, that its ALL FULLNESS (IN GERNERAL) dwells in him.Unless there is another scripture you are talking about, it most definitely says “God” in one form or another.Colossians 2:9 King James VersionFor in him dwelleth…[Read more]

Whatever, just go with it. You can leave my post I sent you just as it is now that there is no special format to follow in our opening. When you get Jack's, post them, and I'll learn the rest as I go.mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 26 2010,01:42)Mike………….Welcome to my world brother. I have tried many times to bring WJ and His jumping brother Jack , back to Just one or two (simply) scriptures, and they just start shifting focuses to something else and never truly deal with the Main issue being discussed.  This is the Man way TRINITARIANS…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2010,16:12)I challenge you to a debate on the words “monogenes” and “prōtotokos” in relation to Jesus and his origins.Hi Keith,Are you sure?  You know the first thing I will hit you with is the fact that both Ignatius and Eusebius think you are wrong.  Not to mention Stong, the KJV, and if I remember right from m…[Read more]

Hi WJ,You asked:Quote My answer is…IN AND OF ITSELF, does the fact that mankind didn't KNOW that Jesus was the only begotten Son until Nicodemus PROVE that he ABSOLUTELY WAS the only begotten Son of God BEFORE Nicodemus?My answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT.  It doesn't prove he WAS the Son prior to coming in the flesh any more than it proves he was NOT…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2010,13:39)Hi MB, Are you not yet a son begotten of God?No Nick, for Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God.mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2010,05:38)I believe the word Begotten is just another word for brought into (BEING).Hi Gene and RM,RM, I agree with you 100% that Jesus was begotten, and that means he is the only thing in existence that came DIRECTLY from God.  All other things came FROM God THROUGH Jesus and were CREATED by God through Jesus, not…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,You are going off on some quasi-time warp philosophy stuff occasionally.  Let's stick to what the Bible teaches, and not imply we know whether God acted “within the boundaries of time” or in the 5th dimension or other such nonsense that isn't spoken of in scripture.I said:Quote All the fullness of God would have already been in Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 24 2010,19:11)The Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God become one Spirit, one embodiment in you and that one becomes one with your own spirit making you one spirit in all. This means agreement of purpose and desire, all three spirits acting in perfect unison, a single spiritual embodiment.Hi JA,Spirit is my area of least…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 24 2010,19:11)The Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God become one Spirit, one embodiment in you and that one becomes one with your own spirit making you one spirit in all. This means agreement of purpose and desire, all three spirits acting in perfect unison, a single spiritual embodiment.Hi JA,Spirit is my area of least…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Man, this is frustrating.  I'm sure you don't do it on purpose.  You most likely believe the words you post and get zealous and want to show me your version of the truth all at once so I can “understand”.  But from my point of view, it goes like this:1.  Jesus wasn't a man before he was born of Mary.2.  So Jesus couldn't be monogenes befo…[Read more]

I thought “rebuttals” WERE questions. I'm good with Jack's layout, I only need to know:1. 10 questions before the rebuttals?2. Are all 10 questions and/or rebuttals supposed to be in one post, or 10?mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 24 2010,14:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2010,08:19)Not a clue, Dennison.But I agree we can change the word “rebuttals” to “questions”.  Is that what you mean?mikeMike,Na you would have to seperate questions from rebbutals.rebuttals is your response to defend and attack.questions are direct. I dont know its whatever…[Read more]