Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2010,13:58)ps See WJ? I can do the “fling it all at you at once” thing too. But does that mean that my beliefs are without a doubt correct? And if you were to answer to ALL my points plus add yours, and then I refute your answers to my points, answer all of yours and make more of my own, you can see how our posts…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,Shut up, will ya? We've almost come to the end of our debate about the debate. Don't add more things to discuss. peace and love,mike

Quote (Oxy @ June 26 2010,10:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2010,15:48)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2010,13:39)Hi MB, Are you not yet a son begotten of God?No Nick, for Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God.mikeJesus is the only begotten of the Father, but we who have received Christ have been grafted into the vine so that we may be joint heirs…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2010,13:57)Hi MB, Jesus is to be the FIRST of many brothers.You can follow him into his anointing as a son.Yes Nick,And even as I follow him, I do so with the knowledge that I will NEVER be the monogenes son of God through whom all things were created. The one who left his position of monogenes Son of God to…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2010,13:56)Hi MB, ONLY BEGOTTEN is one word, not two, in greek. It means something different to what you imagineHi Nick,Yes, monogenes comes from two Greek words. Mono, meaning “only” and “ginomai” meaning “to generate” or “to become”. Together, they have the meaning of “only generated”. It is not me, but you and…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ June 26 2010,15:55)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 21 2010,05:56)Quote (Oxy @ June 20 2010,13:48)Quote (t8 @ June 19 2010,20:57)The Trinity started off as a Binity and it transformed into the Trinity. Is the Quadrinity next?If you believe that the Bible is the Word of God you have a quadrinity lolHi Oxy,Actually, if you believe that things…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ June 26 2010,15:55)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 21 2010,05:56)Quote (Oxy @ June 20 2010,13:48)Quote (t8 @ June 19 2010,20:57)The Trinity started off as a Binity and it transformed into the Trinity. Is the Quadrinity next?If you believe that the Bible is the Word of God you have a quadrinity lolHi Oxy,Actually, if you believe that things…[Read more]

Hi Jack

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2010,03:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2010,01:56)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2010,01:44)To all………..Lets stay on subject here, Is Jesus (the) Word spoken of in John1:1 or is the Word Spoken of there God himself.  Remember Jesus plainly said the words he spoke were (not) his words, so who can we reconcile…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2010,07:38)JA…………You say mine are theories, and what of your theories are your any more concrete then others are. This self positioning of yourself is only a smoke screen. I personally could care less how vexed you become. You on the one Hand say discuss the subject but do not commit on what i have brought…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 27 2010,04:54)Who came first, 'the Son' or 'the begotten Son'?Hi JA,Which came first: YOUR son or YOUR begotten son? Are they not the same person who became both those “people” at the same time? Why is it necessary for you to think it would mean anything different when referring to God's Son?mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2010,03:31)JA………..I am sorry Mike see me as a fly in the anointment, But if the ointment is polluted already then what difference does it make.Hi Gene,What are you talking about? I never implied you were a fly in the ointment – that was JA. I said:Quote But Gene and Nick and Oxy's points are just as valid as…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2010,10:35)Hay Mike………..Could it be that Jesus was indeed the only begotten Son of God (from) mankind at that time, because the Holy spirit Had not fallen on any other until Pentecost, Just a thought. What do you think about this possibility? peace and love………..geneHi Gene,I think it is totally possible.…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 27 2010,07:43)Mike,See my post above regarding ad hominen. Are we going to have a debate that is based in scripture alone or what? Hebrew and Greek lexicons and ALL translations of the scriptures would be allowed. What more do you want?Again, are we going to have a debate based in scripture alone?Cordially,JackWhat…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 27 2010,03:24)By calling off the debate you appear as if you do not have the confidence to argue from scripture alone. I can understand why seeing that you have a history of gaffe statements inwhich you indicate that you cannot scripturally prove when Jesus was begotten.Hi Jack,Has anyone ever debated just scripture?…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2010,07:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2010,14:22)Hi WJ,You asked:Quote My answer is…IN AND OF ITSELF, does the fact that mankind didn't KNOW that Jesus was the only begotten Son until Nicodemus PROVE that he ABSOLUTELY WAS the only begotten Son of God BEFORE Nicodemus?My answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT.  It doesn't…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 27 2010,05:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2010,23:04)Hi Keith,Are you sure?  You know the first thing I will hit you with is the fact that both Ignatius and Eusebius think you are wrong.  Not to mention Stong, the KJV, and if I remember right from my debate with Jack, even Vine.  Oh, and also the very definition of…[Read more]

Hi WJ,Good, now we can get somewhere.You said:Quote It’s like a chess game where the two opponents get into the game about ten moves and the one opponent realizes his opening was weak so he asked his opponent to restart the match. EXACTLY, Keith!  That's what I AM SAYING!     We had a chess game going, but I made the last move a month ago and…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 27 2010,03:02)Guys,What if you were to have a debate about these issues. Use that debate to sort out the problems with the debate issues. Would that not help to then get SF's original debate idea off the ground?A kind of 'debate, about          'the debate, about          'the debate that SF was discussing'''Hi JA,Where…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 27 2010,02:46)Gene,If we were discussing purely earthly matters then possibly so.But it appears this is nothing to do with any opinion you have because this is 'prexstnts vs prexstnts'Mike is arguing pre-Jesus. Therefore you arguing what you argue is moot. It does not help in the discussion.If we, Mike and me (or whomever)…[Read more]