Are you SERIOUS, man? He said:Quote Thank you. Then end of discussion right? Your confession here now means that anytime you say that the word Monogenes applies to Jesus before he came in the flesh is merely conjecture on you part. Then I said so what? It's only conjecture on YOUR part too, because us not knowing about something doesn't mean…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,12:58)Hi MB, If you would know about manuscript variation look up the scripture in the NIV version on the bible lookup of this site. If you would find supporting verses look them up on the NASB versionThanks Nick,Or you can use the Online Bible Study Tools site that I gave the link to a couple of posts ago, and…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,12:50)Hi MB, Which manuscripts are you looking at?Hi Nick,The NWT used the Wescott and Hort from 1881 but have also taken into consideration the texts of Nestle, Bover and Merk.I couldn't see where it says which MS Online Bible Study Tools uses.NETBible says:tc The Byzantine text along with a few other witnesses…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 28 2010,11:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2010,05:30)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 28 2010,07:21)Now that where we are right now from what i know to agree about the “fullness” or not.im not argueing at this moment that Jesus is God or not, we are talking about the fullness. onced this is over than we can continue a new…[Read more]

Hi All,The Greek of 1 Tim 3:16 doesn't have the word “god” in it. At least the MSS used by the NWT and Online Bible Study Tools. The word is “hos”, which means “who”. http://www.biblestudytools.com/interli….6&t=kjvpeace and love,mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 28 2010,12:08)Mike,If you read my reply, It talks about that question.BUT let me ask,do you want WJ to admit or refute that Mankind NOT knowing Jesus was monogenes is proof?Hi Dennison,This is what I said before:Quote a. Show me how that me not knowing you had an only begotten son until that son was 40 years old is…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 28 2010,08:59)Mike,How is Isaac called the 'only Son of Abraham' when the new testament Apostles knew that Abraham had many sons after Isaac, and one before?Was it not because Isaac was the 'only Son of the Covenant promise'? Hebrews 11:17.Okay JA,Let me lay it out for you.  Let's do a little test.1.  Isaac was the ONLY s…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,I really appreciate the time you spent on researching for this post.  And I am sorry, but we do not need you to determine what points are valid or not in this debate.  I asked you to come on board to enforce us BOTH to answer the questions posed by the opposition.  Since we are going ONE POINT AT A TIME, there is ONLY ONE QUESTION to…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 28 2010,07:21)Now that where we are right now from what i know to agree about the “fullness” or not.im not argueing at this moment that Jesus is God or not, we are talking about the fullness. onced this is over than we can continue a new point.Hi Dennison,I know I went in another direction, but it wasn't to distract or…[Read more]

Okay……it's forgotten. I never really took it to heart, so it wasn't hard to forget. peace and love,mike

Hi Dennison,I absolutely LOVE point by point.     We are getting somewhere!Okay, so we disagree on whether 1:19 refers to the fullness of God or fullness in general.  Let's assume you are right, because that IS, after all what the Greek says.My logic is:  IF Jesus IS God, then it is already assumed that all fullness dwells in him, why say onc…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ June 28 2010,06:23)You know what they say, If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then buffalo them with bull….

The mike vs WJ on firstborn and begotten thread. You can start at the current page – we haven't gotten too far. Just pipe in and tell WJ to answer my last bolded point to him so we can move forward. If he ignores you then, oh well, we gave a direct answer debate a shot.mike

Quote (JustAskin @ June 27 2010,18:43)Gene,Your response to me is flawed, seriously.First off, the 'them' are the elect, it is not ALL people.This is why I keep stating that posters here should be careful about claiming a place in Heaven because the Disciple and Apostles say 'We will become Sons of God' and similar.Yes, 'they' will, and a little…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,You said:Quote I have  a question mike? do you just pick and choose what your going to respond to and ignore the rest?  Okay, fair enough.  You sometimes post things like a 1st grader.  You don't use proper punctuation or capitalize the first letter of a new sentence, etc.  Then you go all off on quasi-philisophical rants that IMO have…[Read more]

John is also the one who called Jesus the ONLY begotten AFTER John and the others were anointed with Holy Spirit. He also called Jesus the ONLY BEGOTTEN GOD. Are John and the others “gods”? Were they begotten as gods by their anointing? Why is Jesus called the ONLY after others were similarly anointed?peace and love,mike

We are already in the middle of this debate. Would you, Dennison, be willing to jump in and judge just to keep DIRECT questions answered DIRECTLY? We are going only ONE POINT AT A TIME, and WJ seems a little stuck on the first point he made. He thinks it is proof of something, I disagree. I have been asking him to either show how it is…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 27 2010,19:49)Mike,I see the post where you admit now that 'you cannot prove..begotten…'Mike, WJ is walking all over you, very embarassing…yet Mike, did I not WaRn YoU over and over?You could have avoided all the hours and hours of pointless 'Strongs' research and massive effort between the two of you AND with KJ  AND…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 28 2010,03:25)What I am saying is that the personal beliefs of a church father is not evidence. It is ad hominen. You may invoke church fathers if you wish. But I will not. And when you do invoke a father I will reply saying, “ad hominen” and move on to the next point. I am not going to get into that vicious cycle of…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 27 2010,23:55)I've pretty much seen it all.Another method is when a poster posts a whole series of stuff in one post and expect you to rebut every point. Not only does the reply often need to be longer, but there is so much stuff in each post that the posters have room to dodge that which stumps them.I prefer to keep it simple…[Read more]