Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,09:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,17:09)IS THAT PROOF THAT HE WASN'T?   NO.Mike we are talking about facts not unknowns or conjecture.FACT…no scritpure applies the word “Monogenes” to Jesus untill after he came in the flesh.Conjecture…it could have been! He still could have been the “Monogenes” Son…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,09:08)WJs Contention is their is no scripture that proves Jesus had a beginning.Yes, that is your contention.  We are in the process of showing you the errors of your beliefs.  But we are doing it ONE POINT AT A TIME.  Just like our other debate.  And so far we can't get past the first point in which you con…[Read more]

Okay WJ,You want to stretch it out?  Jesus wasn't CALLED the monogenes Son of God until he was flesh.IS THAT PROOF THAT HE ALREADY WAS THE MONOGENES SON OF GOD BEFORE THAT?   NO.IS THAT PROOF THAT HE WASN'T?   NO.That's the end of your point “a”.  But that's not good enough for you for some reason.  So here's some more.Although Jesus wasn't call…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,07:58)So there are two Gods?  I think not!Why is it each time we get to this point, you disappear for a while?   There are MANY gods mentioned in the Bible, do you agree?”God” means “mighty one”.Is Jehovah the only “mighty one” in existence?No, but he is the only Almighty One in existence. And since Jesus is a mighty o…[Read more]

Hi Moderator,Okay, I can live with that. It's 1 to 1.WJ, can you answer my rebuttal of your second point?peace and love,mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,08:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,05:56)Wrong, because it proves what I have said all along that you cannot say “Monogenes” is proof Jesus had a beginning.What part of this statement do you not understand Mike?You have already agreed the term “Monogenes” was not applied to Jesus before he came in…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ July 04 2010,07:35)Mike,Why is the thread labelled 'Mikeboll vs WJ, if it's not a debate. And if it's not a debate, how does anyone know it's not a debate, and when it does becomea debate how does the moderator know that it's a debate to try and direct others into complying with debate rules?Really JA?  It's had the same title…[Read more]

I'm sure I will, Ed. Even when we don't agree, our different interpretations causes both of us to look at it deeper.mike

Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,08:09)Scripture does indeed say that Jesus was and is the Word of God.Now let's have a closer look at the Scripture you quoted.John 14:24 He who does not love Me does not keep My Words, and the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me. If you understand that Jesus was both the message and the…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ July 04 2010,07:18)RM,This is a debate thread.Hi JA,Not yet, but hopefully soon. If I don't hear back from t8, I'll take your advice and just copy it to the debates.mike

Okay RM,Hit me with the scriptures that prove the Word is YHVH.  Let's break them down ONE AT A TIME.  What's your first one?  Post it and explain what YOU think it means, then I'll go.ps, you make a point of always saying you don't think Jesus is YHVH, but then you say this:Quote Well not that the word of God was A God…but that The Word of Go…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 04 2010,07:01)hi mikeyou, must have taste the freedom of Christ,because you are free of religion and understand how your family are in prison and slave to an men organization who for its own protection as to cut of all rebel to there way of thinking,people in religion are more incline to refuse doing Gods will ,because…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,06:26)Perhaps we should start “A New Thread” for ALL JW defectors, as a sort of homecoming welcome to Heaven(.net)!I fried David Here <– Third Post (Isa.54:17)Hi Ed,I agree with this statement you quoted in the post you linked 100%!Quote Do not passively allow others to mold your thinking.'And my family thinks me being…[Read more]

Hi RM,You said:Quote Your cause is pure polytheism.False.You said:Quote When I say a sentence…how is it that my words are with me and are me at the same time?Ridiculous.  A person's words are not that person.You said:Quote How is it that I am a spirit, soul, and body all at once?What's the point?You said:Quote Just because your human brain is…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,05:56)Wrong, because it proves what I have said all along that you cannot say “Monogenes” is proof Jesus had a beginning.Therefore it is conjecture on your part that “Monogenes” applies to Jesus before he came in the flesh.a.  Thank you. Then end of discussion right? Your confession here now means that…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ July 04 2010,05:50)John 1 clearly illustrates that The Word of God was God himself.It then goes on to say, The Word of God was manifested in flesh and we beheld his glory as that of The only begotten of The Father.Hi RM,John 1 clearly illustrates the the Word of God (A mighty one) was WITH God (THE Mighty One). It does not say…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2010,05:23)Address my point that you lettered “a” so that we can move on.It has been addressed many times.Mike:  My hair is brown, so therefore Jesus cannot be God, and any time you say he is based on only this fact, it is merely conjecture on your part, WJ.WJ:  True, but it is also only conjecture on YOUR part t…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,04:55)Hi Mike,Did you ever join the JW's 'visible organization'?They want me to join 'their visible organization', but I know better!If I were to join, they would kick me out and I would be no longer welcomed. (John 16:1-3)But since I refuse to join, then I will always be welcomed at ALL the Kingdom halls; funny that…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 03 2010,12:42)If Jesus is in the water being baptised, and the Holy Spirit descends upon Him, and His Father commends Him from the clouds, then I see three.Unlike some who believe in the three, I do not believe they are coequal.  There is no Scripture to support that, but on the contrary Scripture does say that the Father does…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 03 2010,12:42)If Jesus is in the water being baptised, and the Holy Spirit descends upon Him, and His Father commends Him from the clouds, then I see three.Unlike some who believe in the three, I do not believe they are coequal.  There is no Scripture to support that, but on the contrary Scripture does say that the Father does…[Read more]