Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 05 2010,19:47)Is God eternal?Hi Dennison,Yes.  Moses says He (not they) is “from everlasting to everlasting”.  Jesus, on the other hand wasn't originally created eternal, for Paul says:“For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again…”This shows that Christ was not originally created immorta…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 05 2010,17:04)Hi Mike, I think we are pretty much on the same track. I have never claimed equality between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Scripture makes it quite apparent that this is not the case. When I stop hearing from God I will be concerned about my salvation.Hi Oxy,So you agree that Jesus is someone other than “the only…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 05 2010,17:04)Hi Mike, I think we are pretty much on the same track. I have never claimed equality between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Scripture makes it quite apparent that this is not the case. When I stop hearing from God I will be concerned about my salvation.Hi Oxy,So you agree that Jesus is someone other than “the only…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,21:03)Hi MB, The Spirit of God helps us worship God But then our hands help feed us.This is what I mean Nick.You say the spirit of God helps us to worship God. So then the Holy Spirit must be something separate from God in order for it to help us worship God, right? Otherwise it would be like you just said, “God…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,21:03)Hi MB, The Spirit of God helps us worship God But then our hands help feed us.This is what I mean Nick.You say the spirit of God helps us to worship God. So then the Holy Spirit must be something separate from God in order for it to help us worship God, right? Otherwise it would be like you just said, “God…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2010,03:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,03:08)Hi Ed,Davidbfun makes a good point about Heb 7.1This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means “king of righteousness”;…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2010,03:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,02:59)Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,02:06)How about if we just take the facts given in Heb 7:1-3 this “person” (Melchizedek) has no mother or father or genealogy; who has these qualities but God alone?  Who is “righteous” but God alone?  Where is “Peace” except in Heaven. Who w…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:34)YHWH = LORD (noun, masc)Elohim = God (noun, masc/fem)YHVH Elohim = LORD GodHi David,Actually,YHVH = I shall prove to be what I shall prove to beElohim = godsEl = godEloah = godAdonai = lord = masterYHVH Elohim = Jehovah God(s) – plural of majestyNEVER does YHVH have the definition of “lord” or “master”.  Lord…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,20:51)Hi MB, Why not?If scripture says it is true it is.Hi Nick, T and Gene,I think the word “spirit” gets taken too literally sometimes.  When Paul says we should have the spirit of Christ in Heb 1, I equate that to “we should have the same attitude as Christ” in that he was righteous, humble, helped others the…[Read more]

Hi Ed,Davidbfun makes a good point about Heb 7.1This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3Without father or…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,12:26)Hi T, Did Adam have the Spirit of God? Scripture does not say so. Neither does his fruitHi Nick,The Hebrew word for “spirit” means “breath” or “wind” as I understand it. And God did BREATHE into Adam to give him life. We all live because spirit from God is in us. It might not necessarily be His Holy…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,02:06)How about if we just take the facts given in Heb 7:1-3 this “person” (Melchizedek) has no mother or father or genealogy; who has these qualities but God alone?  Who is “righteous” but God alone?  Where is “Peace” except in Heaven. Who would Jesus follow after?  God, the Father who taught him all things to do…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 05 2010,17:19)As I have said SOOOOO many times before, I have never claimed equality.Hi Oxy,So what's the hang up then? You are right in saying Jesus is not equal to God. So how can he be our God when our God is the same person as his God?mike

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,14:34)Hi MB, The Spirit is as the finger of GodGod is no more separate from His “Finger” than you are.Hi Nick,Maybe like God is the eye of a hurricane and we are many miles from the eye but can still feel the wind caused by the hurricane?IMO, it would be weird to say, “I will SEND my hands to give you a massage”…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,14:34)Hi MB, The Spirit is as the finger of GodGod is no more separate from His “Finger” than you are.Hi Nick,Maybe like God is the eye of a hurricane and we are many miles from the eye but can still feel the wind caused by the hurricane?IMO, it would be weird to say, “I will SEND my hands to give you a massage”…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,14:40)Hi MB,Eph 3.19Phil 2.13 God is in his sons-as SPIRITHi Nick,To me those 2 scriptures say that God can fill you with feelings, words, info, or visions THROUGH His Holy Spirit. I don't understand them (or any scripture) to say that the God who dwells in heaven actually lives as a spirit entity inside any one…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 05 2010,14:44)Why do you want to skip to the very end.what next mike?do i continue to point 2. or what.why would u call me out on so many points,and skip them.Hi Dennison, I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.   I don't want to skip to the end.  I agree with your point 1,2 & 3.  I disagree with po…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,07:50)Hi OXY, All three?The Spirit of God is never separate from GodHi Nick,Help me out on this one, please. If God is able to send His Holy Spirit out and about, then I can picture it as an entity separate from God. If it is not, which I also sometimes think, then when God sends His Spirit, couldn't it be said…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 05 2010,07:50)Hi OXY, All three?The Spirit of God is never separate from GodHi Nick,Help me out on this one, please. If God is able to send His Holy Spirit out and about, then I can picture it as an entity separate from God. If it is not, which I also sometimes think, then when God sends His Spirit, couldn't it be said…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 05 2010,11:35)mikeGod is not in people,well i do not believe it ,but if you can show me scriptures i be glad to look at them PierreHi T,I think you are applying something Ed said to me. I don't believe God is in people, nor do I believe the Kingdom of God is in people. God is in heaven with His Son my Lord.mike