Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,08:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,14:52)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,06:47)MikeBecause “time” has a beginning and has an end!Eternity doesn't.This is elementary stuff! WJAccording to who?mikeMikeTime  – Websters1 a : the measured or measurable period during which an action, process, or…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,10:20)Hi MB, Your own THOUGHTS.Followed by your ASSUMPTIONS. Let scripture speak and prove truth in itselfSPECIFICALLY which thought, Nick? And show me scripturally how that thought is wrong or pipe down.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,09:13)t8I request you delete this duplicat thread thread and bring this one over!BTW Mike “first born” is not “pasa ktisis” but “prōtotokos”.WJWhat is it with you, WJ? This is the same post with the same point A. Just answer the question.btw, don't you think I know what prototokos and pasa ktisis mean?…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 06 2010,11:11)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 05 2010,19:43)fyi, Mike is ready, just waiting for you kjsf,I finished my opening statement except for editing. I will be sending it to you tomorrow. I had company from out of state for several days who left this morning. I did not want to be rude by being on the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,06:58)Hi MB, Try and manage without the help of your fingers. The Spirit is as the finger of God. Stop trying to put the quicksilver Spirit of God in a human box.Okay. I think I get it. Although His finger is a part of Him, He is able to just reach down His finger to help us lift a load we cannot carry alone.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,06:58)Hi MB, Try and manage without the help of your fingers. The Spirit is as the finger of God. Stop trying to put the quicksilver Spirit of God in a human box.Okay. I think I get it. Although His finger is a part of Him, He is able to just reach down His finger to help us lift a load we cannot carry alone.…[Read more]

Hi WJ,Your point A is as follows:You said:Quote Was the term “Monogenes” ever given to Jesus before his natural birth? I said:Quote Not that scripture records. You said:Quote Thank you. Then end of discussion right? Your confession here now means that anytime you say that the word Monogenes applies to Jesus before he came in the flesh is merely…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,07:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,14:51)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,06:41)You can't expect an opponent to answer all of your points and then just stick to one of theirs!Keith, I have asked 3 questions:Were the heavens and the earth also “before time”?This is a yes or no.Does Genesis nullify…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2010,07:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,06:51)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,06:41)You can't expect an opponent to answer all of your points and then just stick to one of theirs!Keith, I have asked 3 questions:Were the heavens and the earth also “before time”?This is a yes or no.Does Genesis nullify your…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 06 2010,06:26)i was more focused that God claimed that Jesus created, I wasnt going further calling Jesus is God. (yet)Ok so do you want rebuttals or do you want to continue to point 5. because the point of this thread was to clarify my points right?Ooops! I copied your post to my response This is what it should…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,07:04)Hi MB, If you keep adding to what scripture teaches, you will never gain knowledge of truth.Hi Nick,Can you show me from my post what I SPECIFICALLY added?mike

i was more focused that God claimed that Jesus created, I wasnt going further calling Jesus is God. (yet)Ok so do you want rebuttals or do you want to continue to point 5. because the point of this thread was to clarify my points right?

Dennison, could you request that Keith DIRECTLY answer my last post of his point “b”? Especially the 3 bolded questions? He keeps posting stuff about everything EXCEPT them and taking the debate way off course AGAIN.thanks, mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,06:47)MikeBecause “time” has a beginning and has an end!Eternity doesn't.This is elementary stuff! WJAccording to who?mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,06:41)You can't expect an opponent to answer all of your points and then just stick to one of theirs!Keith, I have asked 3 questions:Were the heavens and the earth also “before time”?This is a yes or no.Does Genesis nullify your “beginning” theory as NOT proof that Jesus DID NOT have a beginning?This is a yes…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 06 2010,06:19)IF God is eternal, automaticly you agree that God is above time, above space.And how do you KNOW (and I don't mean THINK YOU KNOW) that time itself isn't eternal?  How do you know that time hasn't existed all along and that God hasn't always existed within it?  When did time begin?  How do you know th…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 06 2010,05:57)here is something you didnt mention though.Hebrews 1:10- what do you have to say about that.and lastshould we continue to point 5 or not?Not if I left a point you consider important unanswered.Heb 1:8-13,8But about the Son he says,   “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,      and rig…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,04:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,20:31)Listen, Keith.  These are points that YOU made and my rebuttals of them.  Deal with ONLY these points and my rebuttals, please.  In other words, I shouldn't see anything about Ignatius in your next post.   I have bolded the questions that I specifically want ans…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,04:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,12:31)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 05 2010,19:47)Is God eternal?Hi Dennison,Yes.  Moses says He (not they) is “from everlasting to everlasting”.  Jesus, on the other hand wasn't originally created eternal, for Paul says:“For we know that since Christ was raised from the…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,Let's start with Col 1:16.  The word that many translations render as “by” is the Greek word “en”.  OBST says:En 2:537,233 Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech en    Preposition Definition in, by, with etc.   King James Word Usage – Total: 2782 in 1874, by 141, with 134, among 117, at 112, on 46, through 37, miscellaneous 321One of t…[Read more]