Hi WJ,I hope we can put the past nonsense of this thread behind us and get down to some serious discussion. We are starting fresh, so let's not sink back into what the earlier part of this thread became. peace and love,mike

t8 has moved this discussion to the Debates.  This is now a debate thread.  PLEASE, NO ONE post here unless you are Mikeboll, WJ, or SimplyForgiven.Below is the original post by WJ.  I have lettered his points and questions for easier referrence.  I will address each and every point he has made, ONE AT A TIME.  I will ask that WJ answer my dire…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,07:55)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2010,04:30)Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2010,22:37)Hi SF,The extremely long Posts are seen by the Poster (No names) as strong affirmation of a point well documented in Scripture.However as seen by the readers, it appears as garbled ideasstrung together into an extremely long Post not worth…[Read more]

Bump for RooHi Jack,I said:  Quote Why don't you stop avoiding the issue and just answer my DIRECT question DIRECTLY? You said:Quote First, because I am not in the habit of taking fragmented quotes and drawing conclusions. That's YOUR method Mike. I gave you a quote from Eusebius which indicated that he “could have” thought that “all creation”…[Read more]

Hi WJ,You said:Quote He has given you scripture that contradicts what you think Eusebius believed which seems is not enough for you.Let me get this straight.  He has listed 5 scriptures that say “every creature”.  Eusebius also thought “pasa ktisis” meant “every creature”.  HIS UNFOUNDED CONJECTURE is that “pasa ktisis” only refers to mankind EV…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 07 2010,11:17)or we can have one question from both, after every rebuttal.I LOVE that idea!

Quote (Oxy @ July 06 2010,20:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,04:41)Quote (Oxy @ July 05 2010,17:19)As I have said SOOOOO many times before, I have never claimed equality.Hi Oxy,So what's the hang up then?  You are right in saying Jesus is not equal to God.  So how can he be our God when our God is the same person as his God?mikeNo hangup M…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 07 2010,11:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2010,05:04)Are we to have a Q&A part of this debate, or is Jack too scared to answer direct questions?mikeI was going to ask the same question.again i would suggest ten direct questions before the rebuttals,I would suggest after, but I'm okay either way. I would just like to…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 07 2010,07:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,06:24)Quote (Oxy @ July 05 2010,17:04)Hi Mike,  I think we are pretty much on the same track.  I have never claimed equality between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  Scripture makes it quite apparent that this is not the case.  When I stop hearing from God I will be concerned about my…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 07 2010,07:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,06:24)Quote (Oxy @ July 05 2010,17:04)Hi Mike,  I think we are pretty much on the same track.  I have never claimed equality between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  Scripture makes it quite apparent that this is not the case.  When I stop hearing from God I will be concerned about my…[Read more]

Are we to have a Q&A part of this debate, or is Jack too scared to answer direct questions?mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 06 2010,19:09)There will be no future discussion between us other than structured debates. It's either rules or not at all.JackHi Jack,I noticed you left one word out of your post.  Here, I'll fix it for ya.There will be no future discussion between us other than structured debates. It's either   MY    rules or not at…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,10:14)Hi MB, God IS in heaven as that is where we are told to pray to Him. But if you caught your finger in a door would YOU be hurt?Is he in heaven or inside of us? Both? Even as Jesus explained that the Father was in him and he in the Father, he made it clear that the Father was in heaven.Or could it be like…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,10:14)Hi MB, God IS in heaven as that is where we are told to pray to Him. But if you caught your finger in a door would YOU be hurt?Is he in heaven or inside of us? Both? Even as Jesus explained that the Father was in him and he in the Father, he made it clear that the Father was in heaven.Or could it be like…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 05 2010,16:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,13:57)Hi T,Good refresher.  I thought maybe you had some personal insight why Manasseh was allowed to rule so long.  mikemikewhy is this world still in operation after all what we have seen only in our generation?and this is now close to 6000years or soPierreJust spit it o…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,15:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,20:31)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 06 2010,09:13)t8I request you delete this duplicat thread thread and bring this one over!BTW Mike “first born” is not “pasa ktisis” but “prōtotokos”.WJWhat is it with you, WJ?  This is the same post with the same point A.  Just a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,12:52)Hi MB, Read you own post. Search for THINK and I DO NOT TAKE LITERALLYHi Nick,How do you UNDERSTAND scriptures?  Take the shortest scripture, “Jesus wept.”  What do you THINK that means?  Do you THINK it should be TAKEN LITERALLY?  How about when the land “vomited out” the Israelites?  Do you THINK it shou…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 06 2010,12:42)Hi MB, Thoughts and opinions are not relevant until they are found reflected in scripture……… several times.SPECIFICALLY which thought, Nick? And show me scripturally how that thought is wrong or pipe down.mike

Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2010,09:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2010,07:24)Ed,which, btw, I CAN provemikeHi  Mike,You can 'only' offer proof, if it isn't believedyou haven't proved anything; understand?You can ask Stuart, he'll tell ya.”Proof is in the eye of the beholder.”God blessEd J http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ July 06 2010,09:14)Mike, you need to give up on these debates.Hi Karmarie,I got your pm and appreciate your concern. The others you mention might have been like the seeds that were dropped on the rocky soil in Jesus' parable – I don't know.And I might just do what you suggest. I will pray about it. Pray that God sends me…[Read more]