Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 11 2010,04:11)Mike,So Jesus is the firstborn of all mankind after all! Note your words in blue below. Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2010,17:27)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2010,17:17)Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom Yes Nick,Now add that thought to 1 Cor 15 and you will begin to understand that Jesus is still…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 11 2010,04:08)MIke,do you see why i get upset Quote Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God.whether “of” precededs or not. it wouldnt matterfact is Jesus is the Beginning. agh.Dennison,Did you read the Elton John comparison? Explain to me why “Your Song” is anything other than the song Elton started with. And…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 10 2010,04:35)Mike:Quote If it meant “relationship of love”, then in your view, when Jesus was raised he became “loved by God”,Absolutely! Jesus said that His Father loved Him because He layed down His life for the sheep (John 10:17). The Father's love was perfected by raising Him from the dead.You have reading…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 10 2010,02:09)WorshippingJesus said to Mikeboll:Quote Did Jesus hear the Father say “Thou art my son” before he was supposedly born from the Father?Excellent point Keith! The problem is that Mike does like common sense interpretation. The TWOT says that the Qal form of “yalad” in Ps. 2:7 simply refers to a rel…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 09 2010,16:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2010,00:26)WJ, did YOU forget THIS part?While gennao means “to be born” along with some other things, yalad does not have in it's definition these three:b) in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life, to convert someonec) of God making Christ his sond)…[Read more]

Hi WJ,You said:Quote And I didn’t read Rev 3:14 as Jesus saying he had a beginning, did you?Well, only if the creation of God had a beginning.  Because Jesus was the first.  Did the creation of God have a beginning WJ?  You said:Quote Oh, but wait, that is exactly what Jesus said…And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These…[Read more]

Hi Ed Oxy and Nick,I have just recieved a thought…..from where I can't say.  I don't know if you guys have seen the X-Men films.  My thought was of God's Holy Spirit as the character Storm's powers on X-Men.She can send that power up into the atmosphere to create all kinds of weather……torndados, hail, ice storms, etc.  But that power ne…[Read more]

Hi Ed Oxy and Nick,I have just recieved a thought…..from where I can't say.  I don't know if you guys have seen the X-Men films.  My thought was of God's Holy Spirit as the character Storm's powers on X-Men.She can send that power up into the atmosphere to create all kinds of weather……torndados, hail, ice storms, etc.  But that power ne…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2010,16:09)Hi MB, We are a soul in a body enlivened by a spirit.Hi Nick,That makes perfect sense to me except one thing. When we die, the body goes back to dust, the spirit goes back to God, but what about the soul? Where does it go? If Oxy is right and the soul includes our knowledge and reasoning etc, what does…[Read more]

ps  You said:Quote and its ridculous that your actually fighting this point.This is the tactic that your heroes WJ and KJ use all the time against me.  But you should know by now that I won't be ridiculed, harassed or bullied into accepting as proof something that cleary isn't.  Think about that Dennison.  Out of all the people on HN, do you rea…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,You said:Quote Mike,I am getting seriously frustrated with you.I understand why Kj and WJ get so upset.It seems like your only satisfied when people do things your way. and than you want to start over and blah blha blah.It seems you have joined the pack of wild dogs that follow me around nipping at my heals but failing to get a death…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 07 2010,16:02)Revelations expreses that he is the ALPHA and the OMEGANot was he only in the begnning but he is the beginning, what more do you want mike,I want you to show actual proof for either of these statements.  They are both false IMO.  Show me how they are true ONE AT A TIME. mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 07 2010,16:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2010,09:28)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 07 2010,15:19)every one of those scriptures state that CHRIST was in the BEGINNING AND THAT HE IS THE BEGINNING AND THAT HE IS AT THE END, AND HE IS THE END.Sorry sir,but not one of those scriptures say that.  I'll address you “context”…[Read more]

Show me anything that was written in your original point A that I didn't address. We are debating whether or not Jesus had a beginning. Does you point A prove he does? NO. Does it prove he doesn't? NO. The point is useless to our efforts to prove whether or not Jesus had a beginning because iIt proves nothing either way. So it's done IMO.…[Read more]

Funny, I don't remember ever debating about water in a glass.mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 10 2010,08:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,22:49)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 28 2010,15:03)8) “Starting over” When a poster decides to start over and pretend to have amnesia, as if the other arguements didnt happen, and one has to start all over again….Ha!  Too funny,…[Read more]

On second thought, I don't want to start playing your same games on this debate thread as I have been in the other, so I'll spell it out.We both agree the “all” isn't absolute, or it would mean than no one else, including the Father, would have any power and authority at all.So we have two things it could mean:1.  He has “all” power up to and…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 09 2010,17:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2010,14:52)Quote (Oxy @ July 07 2010,20:08)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 07 2010,19:48)Hi Oxy,jn.16.12-14That's exactly my point Nick, the Spirit has borne witness to the things the Lord has taught me.Hi Oxy,  Could you ask the spirit why Jesus says the Father is the only true God, when…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2010,12:49)Hi Mike,How does 'your theory' square with these verses…Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism,One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.God blessEd J (Joshua…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2010,12:49)Hi Mike,How does 'your theory' square with these verses…Eph.4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism,One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.God blessEd J (Joshua…[Read more]