Quote (Oxy @ July 11 2010,18:04)Haha, I don't need to defend my ideas, but I will always defend the Lord's teachings Nick.  I'm pleased you're not a JW.Hey Oxy,Would Nick being a JW somehow make his interpretaion of scripture any more or less valid?If you were a trinitarian, would it make your view on the 10 commandments or prexistence or Jesus'…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 11 2010,17:24)Or did I misunderstand you Mike?Hi Oxy,You misunderstood. I'm on your side on this one. We only differ in our understanding of whether the Word was GOD or “a god”. peace and love,mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 11 2010,15:56)Mike,so you have no thoughts nor comments to make about the translations i offered?Why, yes I do – glad you asked.   My initial thought is that it is more likely that a trinitarian swayed scribe or translator inserted Alpha and Omega than it is that someone omitted it.  Otherwise, why would MOST a…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 11 2010,10:29)Mikeboll said:Quote Where is the word yalad in this verse?You need to go to your nearest trinitarian bookstore and acquire the Strong's Concordance. The words “brought forth” in Is. 23:4 is the Hebrew “yalad” (Strong's# 3205).the RooI've got Strong's online. I beat you over the head with it all the time,…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 11 2010,10:23)So the sea literally gave birth to children. First they literally came from the wombs of women and then again they literally came from the womb of the sea and were also taught by the sea? You're sinking into the sea Mike!So the land actually “vomitted out” people?  Does the fact that God used a word that…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2010,02:37)Mikeit says ,the soul who sins shall die;so we all bound to die, but Christ came to save those who had faith in him at the resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous,the righteous after dead awaits for the resurrection ,sitting in the bosom of Abram,the unrighteous also await in the uncertainty of…[Read more]

Maybe I do……..I don't remember.

Hi All,Even if I strongly disagreed with the pre-existence of the one we know as Jesus Christ, I wouldn't be so lame as to support my belief with insinuations that God couldn't have caused him to exist without a womb or mother or whatever.Please, take yourselves outside of the debate for a minute and think about what you claim.  “God couldn't…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 09 2010,10:21)Quote (942767 @ July 09 2010,09:02)Hi Mike:”A spirit womb”?  Really?  I can't believe to what extreme people have to go in order to maintain their doctrine.Love in Christ,MartyHey Marty,We agree on this one man! the RooYou would agree. You think God has to have a “womb” or “woman” to cause a being to e…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 09 2010,09:02)Hi Mike:”A spirit womb”?  Really?  I can't believe to what extreme people have to go in order to maintain their doctrine.Love in Christ,Marty   This from the man who ignores all the scriptures that say Jesus was “in God's presence” before the creation of the world and thinks Jesus was a foreordained “thought” Go…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 08 2010,15:16)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 07 2010,10:22)LU………..Nick is not wrong , Like us Jesus had a Physical Berth and a Heavenly Berth, One took place when He was Born through the women Mary , the other was at the Jordan when he recieved the Holy Spirit and was then sent into the world to preach the Gospel of the…[Read more]

Hi WJ,You said:Quote Of course we believe that anything is possibe for God that is why we believe that God came in the likeness of sinful flesh and was found in fashion as a man. John 1:1-14 – Phil 2:6-8So God can be a man on earth while simultaneously being God in heaven, but He can't figure out how to make a son for Himself, huh?  Lame.You…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 11 2010,05:59)Mikeboll said:Quote Unfortunately for you, it isn't LIMITED TO MANKIND.Now all you need to do is PROVE IT!Words that are repeatedly used in a given context retain the same meaning throughout that context. Verse 23 clearly indicates that “pasa ktisis” is LIMITED TO MANKIND. It means the same thing in verse…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 11 2010,05:53)But Jesus became a man and was on probation just like the first Adam. Sorry Mike! And yalad in the Qal has reference to figurative birth:4 Be ashamed, O Sidon, and you, O fortress of the sea, for the sea has spoken: “I have neither been in labor nor given birth (yalad); I have neither…[Read more]

Hi All,This is hard for me.  I have to waste my time answering silly claims like this:Quote The New Testament says that Jesus alone is the “Word” who spoke all things into being When I answered the first time with:Quote The NT doesn't actually say anything of the sort.Jack comes back with:Quote John said that Jesus is the Word and that all things…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 11 2010,04:55)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2010,22:53)Hi Dennison,From Wikipedia,In the Book of Revelation, it reads “I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.”. The first part of this phrase (“I am the Alpha and Omega”) is first found in Chapter 1 verse 8, and is found in every manuscript of Revelation that ha…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 11 2010,05:00)You Said,Quote JA also has trouble with this aspect.  Imagine that God just begat Jesus.  So here's this brand new being all wide eyed and filled with questions and wonder looking at his surroundings.  Why is it so weird that God would immediately say to His brand new Son, “You are my Son.  Today I hav…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 11 2010,04:58)Christ who IS the beginning OF everything. in other words he IS THE BEGINNING.Hi Dennison,It doesn't matter how much you want it to be. It's just not there, man. He is the beginning OF God's creation. God is the only one given the title “THE BEGINNING”. Read the Elton John comparison and show me how…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 11 2010,04:51)Mike,No my words do not imply that. Jesus said that the Father loved Him BECAUSE He lays down His life for the sheep. I said that the Father's love was “perfected” in raising Him from the dead.Anyway, the word “yalad” in the Qal clearly has reference to figurative paternity.Hi Jack,John 17:24″Father, I…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,From Wikipedia,In the Book of Revelation, it reads “I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.”. The first part of this phrase (“I am the Alpha and Omega”) is first found in Chapter 1 verse 8, and is found in every manuscript of Revelation that has 1v8. Several later manuscripts repeat “I am the Alpha and Omega” in 1v11 too, b…[Read more]