Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2010,15:19)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2010,15:02)Hi MB, Jesus from the Jordan when filled with the Spirit was as God on earth.He had the same knowledge and powers and was given all authority. But he chose submission to His Father and was led by the Spiritnickwere does it say that Christ had ;He had the same knowledge…[Read more]

Fair enough, my friend.  While I believe with every fiber of my being that the trinitarian NIV would have leaped at the chance to include those words if there was a snowball's chance they were legit, I agree we have no actual proof at the moment.  As they dig up more and more mss, the truth may be revealed.And I'm sorry for you because YOU were t…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ July 13 2010,12:48)Wow, Oxy, everyone seems to be against you, why? I havent read much of what you've posted sorry, but why are they?Hi Karmarie,I have no problem with Oxy. He's okay – just a little confused. mike

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2010,14:41)Hi MB,Being in the form of God is not being God is it?Not THE God Nick.But God is spirit, man is not. I take it to mean, “being in a spirit form, he emptied himself and became in a man's form”.mike

Quote (JustAskin @ July 13 2010,14:27)Mike, Terra,Allegory, is the term for the 'Abraham/Rich man' story.Once again it seems everyone forgets…amnesia abounds…has this not been gone through…The points are these:1) Riches cannot save one from hell.2) Do good while you can.3) The 'dead' cannot communicate with the living.It is nothing to do…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2010,14:25)hi mikelet be clear that what ever judgement is rendered by Christ by the 144k it will be always in a sence by God himself,why because all thing are done with the rules of God.Pierre,I agree wholeheartedly with that. But about my question…..is there scripture that says the 144,000 will judge when the book…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 12 2010,12:44)Hi JA, Jesus was a man, not an emptied God.We can follow him.That's not scriptural Nick.Phil 2mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 12 2010,12:05)Mike……..Lets suppose it was you being discussed in John !:1 , So it could read, in the beginning the word the word was with Mike and the word was Mike. Would you buy that?   Or would you say your word was someone else?. We have Scripture that say and GOD Said (spoke words) let there be light etc, and…[Read more]

Pierre,I'm only on my 3rd time through the Bible now (just started Joel) and each time I understand more.  So I know you're way ahead of me in that aspect so maybe I will come to see it that way.As I understand it, the 144,000 will reign as kings with Jesus and judge in “day to day” matters.I understand that ONLY Jesus will judge mankind during…[Read more]

Which goes along with what I've told you all before:Acts says that Paul's top priority after being blinded by Jesus was to preach in the synagogues that this Jesus you killed WAS IN FACT THE REAL SON OF GOD, not just “a” son of God like the rest of us.And that is the reason he quotes Psalm 2:7.  Not to say “this is when God begat His Son”, but to…[Read more]

Hi Pierre,I don't know that the 144,000 will “judge” with Jesus. Does Rev say that?mikeps, I still go with Solomon who says the dead are conscious of nothing despite Jesus' parable about Lazarus and Abraham. I think that was a parable, not a reality, but who can be sure until they die?

Quote (Oxy @ July 11 2010,18:14)Maybe Mike, but I have never met a JW that has been born again, let alone filled with the Spirit. I'm not saying that one such person doesn't exist, just that I haven't met one, and I've spoken to many JW'sHi Oxy,I didn't know one could tell who was born again or filled with holy spirit just by looking or talking.…[Read more]

REBUTTAL #3 – MIKEAttack:  Jack says the NT has scripture that says “Jesus SPOKE all things into being”.  I submit there is no such scripture and ask that he list said scripture.Defend:  My claim that creation was the work of two is supported by 1 Corinthians 8:6,yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for wh…[Read more]

Hi Jack,Everything EXCEPT the debate should be pm'd IMO. You just got a free “mini-rebuttal” because you posted publically.mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 12 2010,00:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2010,11:02)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 11 2010,10:29)Mikeboll said:Quote Where is the word yalad in this verse?You need to go to your nearest trinitarian bookstore and acquire the Strong's Concordance. The words “brought forth” in Is. 23:4 is the Hebrew “yalad” (Strong's#…[Read more]

Quote My apologies then Mike.  Glad to have you onside.  I was talking to a Jewish friend of mine the other day and he informed me (using more Hebrew words than I can shake a stick at) that “was a god” is mentioned only in one of the writtings whereas “was God” is written in all the other versions, and was his personal conviction as well… for w…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ July 12 2010,02:20)Jesus said, ….The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say lo here or lo there for the Kingdom of God is within you. Luke17:21Also at Luke 16:16…the law and the prophets were until John, since then the gospel is preached….Also at Matt.11:13….all the law and all the prophets…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 11 2010,15:22)i believe since Christ certain may have changed.PierreHi Pierre,Maybe, because certain things definitely did, and we know that from scripture.But Jesus spoke in parables. So is Hades a place where good people are just hanging out and bad people are hot and thirsty all the time – all waiting for judgement…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 11 2010,17:30)Sounds good, except for the fact that Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when He had been baptized, went up immediately out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon Him. Mat 3:17 And lo, a voice from Heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 11 2010,17:30)Sounds good, except for the fact that Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when He had been baptized, went up immediately out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon Him. Mat 3:17 And lo, a voice from Heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom…[Read more]