Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:22)Well your friends here disagree with you. That is why they are silent! No, I just don't call Kathi up to say, “Let's go double team WJ! Maybe if we both yell nonsense at him at once, it'll make that nonsense seem more believable.” KJ has been a joke since I joined HN. But you used to be…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:20)But the truth is in the scritpures and their given context!Amen to that!And when you are done playing games, you are about to get an education about that in our debate.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:15)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,11:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,03:41)Why do you insist in propagating your own theories over the Scriptures?Not just my theories WJ,The “greatest Greek teacher” and “most…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:16)Hi AllMikes own words seem to change as he goes along.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2010,22:22)I CANNOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO PROVING JESUS WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD PRIOR TO HIS COMING IN FLESH WITH ONLY THE FACT THAT HE WASN'T CALLED THAT UNTIL HE CAME IN THE FLESH.  AND I WILLINGLY ADMIT THAT.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,11:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,03:41)Why do you insist in propagating your own theories over the Scriptures?Not just my theories WJ,The “greatest Greek teacher” and “most learned theologian of his day” agrees with “my theory”.How does your understanding fit…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,11:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,03:41)Why do you insist in propagating your own theories over the Scriptures?Not just my theories WJ,The “greatest Greek teacher” and “most learned theologian of his day” agrees with “my theory”.How does your understanding fit…[Read more]

And as far as “husband and wife”, one might ask the same question about you and WJ.  Do you guys call each other and agree on a time to visit HN?  Every time one of you posts, the other is right there with a backslap.  Have you worked it out to high five each other for every post in the effort that one agreeing with the other will somehow make wh…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 18 2010,03:44)By the term “begotten before all ages” Calvin meant that the Son of God was eternal.Well, the Father is eternal. When is the Father ever said to be “begotten”?Think, man think.And no one cares what any of these MEN think. We only care how the Greek words were understood by people closer to the time of Jesus.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,03:41)Why do you insist in propagating your own theories over the Scriptures?Not just my theories WJ,The “greatest Greek teacher” and “most learned theologian of his day” agrees with “my theory”.How does your understanding fit in with Eusebius' and Ignatius' understanding that Jesus was begotten by the Father…[Read more]

Jack, you lie so often and misrepresent truth even more.  I never said Jesus wasn't called “BEGOTTEN” before he was flesh.And NO ONE can PROVE the exact WHEN of Jesus' begetting.  We only know it was before all ages.You are so scared of Eusebius, why not try Ignatius:But our Physician is the Only true God, the unbegotten and unapproachable, the L…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,02:31)First of all we see that Calvin calls “The first-born” (prōtotokos) an appellation which is merely a title or a name.Hi WJ,Calvin, like the Nicene Creed, has it all scripurally correct until the end.You son has the “appelllation” of “son of WJ”.  It is the “title” he recieved by being begotten by…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 17 2010,16:25)Hi all,Here is what Calvin wrote about the Col 1 'firstborn':Quote The first-born of every creature. The reason of this appellation is immediately added — For in him all things are created, as he is, three verses afterwards, called the first-begotten from the dead, because by him we all rise again. Hence, he i…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 18 2010,00:43)MIke ………Was ADAM and EVE then begotten by GOD also because scripture says that Adam was a Son of GOD. What is you take on this then brother?.peace and love to you and yours……………………..geneHi Gene,Does scripture say Adam was begotten from God? You do know that Jesus is THE Son of God in…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 17 2010,16:02)MikeIf Paul meant a literal begetting then why did he use the same word for the other scriptures?Okay WJ,I'm going through this with Jack and the word “made” in our “plural God” debate right now also.  There are more than one definition, for example:I made a table today = formedKathi made me laugh =…[Read more]

Hi WJ,Do you not even understand what I wrote?  I KNOW gennao can mean those 3 things ALONG WITH a literal “begetting”.  But yalad DOES NOT EVER MEAN ANY OF THOSE THREE ALTERNATE DEFINITIONS THAT GENNAO CAN MEAN.AND YALAD IS THE WORD FROM PSALM 2 THAT PAUL QUOTES ABOUT THE BEGETTING OF JESUS.  GET IT?  So the begetting Paul talked of had to do wit…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 17 2010,04:40)And I know you are astute enough to distinguish the truth without arguing for the sake of arguing.Hi David,You must not know me.  I'm not even astute enough to know what the word astute means.  And I sometimes love to argue just for the sake of arguing.   I'll hit you up on your thread about this subject wh…[Read more]

Hi Keith,The answer is NO.  It is NOT a valid point.  I told you before that Psalm 2 tells us God has a begotten Son.  At that point, we don't yet know he is an only child.  There could be more that aren't mentioned, right?  But then Jesus explains that he is the ONLY begotten Son of God……so all of a sudden, that makes Psalm 2 about the ONLY…[Read more]

No Keith,It is I who will hold YOUR feet to the fire.I asked if “all” is absolute to the extent that the Father and noone else has ANY power at all.You said in effect NO.So my only question to you is:  How then do you come up with the conclusion that the “all” means “equal amount to the power the Father has”?Do you follow this logic?  If the “…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 15 2010,17:31)My, the love grows.. lol.  I was born again on the 5th May 1978 and received the Holy Spirit probably about 5 weeks later.  I remember it well.  I had spent an hour worshipping the Lord and felt His presence in such a wonderful way.  I was walking into town, still singing and praising God and then I opened my mou…[Read more]

No more games Keith. Your point A does NOT prove Jesus HAD a beginning, nor does it prove he DID NOT have a beginning. That's all there is. Let's move on to you other points which I'm sure DO prove Jesus didn't have a beginning, right?I've already posted my reponse to your point B.mike