No, I am asserting that the “all” doesn't mean absolute or the Father would have no power at all.  You agree that that is NOT the case.So how do YOU come up with the amount of power spoken of as being THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT AS GOD HAS?What scripture tells you that Jesus has the SAME amount of power as his God?mike

    Is that ambassador the SAME man as the man who sent him?  Is he the same being?  Can a being send itself?Jack, I had hoped and prayed that you would receive the mounting evidence that supports the Hebrew use of a plural of grandiosities in scripture and maybe think, “Hey, if I was mislead about this, maybe I should take a closer look at the…[Read more]

Hi Oxy,You said:Quote He asks two questions.1 Where shall I go from Your Spirit?2 where shall I flee from Your presence? If they were one and the same, why would He mention both?What if it said, “What can I do that you don't see?  What can I do that you don't know about?”Would that mean God's eyes and His mind are two separate entities?IMO, that…[Read more]

Hi Oxy,You said:Quote He asks two questions.1 Where shall I go from Your Spirit?2 where shall I flee from Your presence? If they were one and the same, why would He mention both?What if it said, “What can I do that you don't see?  What can I do that you don't know about?”Would that mean God's eyes and His mind are two separate entities?IMO, that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,13:43)But I will accept his explanation.Thanks, and sorry again.I was thinking maybe you have your preferrences set to notify you when I respond and to include the post itself?Because I deleted that sucker fast. Anyway, it won't happen again.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,13:41)MikeFine, but I still do not believe you are being honest about my point.The point is valid as it is dealing with the word “Monogenes” being used as merely conjecture to say that it is applied to Jesus before he came in the flesh”. Scripturally that is a fact and you cannot show otherwise, yet you will…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ July 18 2010,20:10)To all,Is there more than one meaning of 'Firstborn'?Is there, 'Firstborn' meaning, literally, the first by birth who is then, by Jewish tradition, the major inheritor of the Father's property.And is there 'Firstborn' meaning 'to become the one who is the inheritor, to become first in rank among a group of…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 18 2010,20:29)Hi Lightenup.. yes I am aware of that Scripture, but it was prophetic of the Christ to come.Hi Oxy,I don't understand how Col 1:15 could be prophetic of the Christ to come if it was written AFTER he came and AFTER all things were created. mike

bump for KJ, JA and WJ

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 16 2010,21:09)You means Jehovahs Messenger, Can you not deliver your own personal message?can you not be your own messenger?curiousNo Dennison, you CAN'T be your own messenger.One never says, “I sent myself to deliver a message for me”.Rather, they say, “I delivered the message myself.”And can you think of ANY OTHER…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 17 2010,15:54)MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2010,19:27)You already said Jesus doesn't have MORE power than the Father, so show how you know he has the EXACT SAME AMOUNT AS THE FATHER.And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, “ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. Matt 28:18Now prove scripturally t…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ July 18 2010,08:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 08 2010,15:58)Hi All,Maybe someone can shed some insight on something I've been wondering.In Rev, Jesus says he's been granted to sit on the Father's throne with Him, and we will be granted to sit on his with him.Quote Revelation 3:21 NIV To him who overcomes, I will give the right to…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 18 2010,05:13)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:16)Hi AllMikes own words seem to change as he goes along.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2010,22:22)I CANNOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO PROVING JESUS WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD PRIOR TO HIS COMING IN FLESH WITH ONLY THE FACT THAT HE WASN'T CALLED THAT UNTIL HE CAME IN…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 18 2010,05:08)And Mike has admitted that scripture does not record that Jesus was begotten before His incarnation.Show where I admitted that Jack.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:32)MikeI don't have to, read the Psalm.2:6 “I myself have installed my king on Zion, my holy hill.” 2:7 “THE KING SAYS, “I will announce the Lord’s decree. He said to me: ‘You are my son! This very day I have become your father! 2:8 Ask me, and I will give you the nations as your inheritance, the ends of…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 18 2010,05:03)Hey Mike,When I whined as a child my grand dad would say to me, “Want a little cheese with your whine”?Apparently you didn't get the point, because you are the whiningest person on this site. mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 18 2010,04:52)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2010,12:29)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2010,04:22)Well your friends here disagree with you. That is why they are silent! No, I just don't call Kathi up to say, “Let's go double team WJ!   Maybe if we both yell nonsense at him…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 18 2010,10:24)Nobody posted after you, or replied to the post, so I don't have a problem with it.In the end, it is better to get Mike's honest opinion than a statement of convenience. Remember the truth or lie is on trial, not people.Hi t8,thanks for undestanding it wasn't intended to be misleading or dishonest.WJ, I hope you can…[Read more]

Hi WJ,Yes, I deleted my own post. I deleted within 10 seconds of posting it. My reasoning was at first that I'm sick of these games so I'll just go ahead and SAY your point is valid so we can move on. Then, right after i posted it, I remembered that we both agreed to Dennison judging this thing, so I IMMEDIATELY deleted it because I thought…[Read more]

We'll let Dennison decide.Dennison, is WJ's point A a valid point in determining whether Jesus had a beginning or not. And if so, how does it prove Jesus either HAD a beginning or DIDN'T HAVE a beginning?mike