Hi Marty,Glad you joined in!   You and barley and Gene all have the same basic “rebuttal” of Phil 2.  But I haven't seen any of you answer the question that both Kathi and I have asked:If he WAS in human form while he was “in the form of God”, then how could he “make himself nothing” by “being made in human form”?John 5:37 says,You have never h…[Read more]

Hi WJ,You said:Quote First you have denied that the Psalm is speaking of King David who already existed and the fact that YHWH spoke to him on a particular day after he set him on his throne.Every word in Psalm 2 is about Jesus Christ.  This is made clear by Acts 4,24When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God.…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 24 2010,01:22)So where do we go from Here brother.Well Gene,It would help if you at least TRY to answer my response to your first post here. Or maybe Kathi's question which is in line with one of mine:If he WAS in human form while he was “in the form of God”, then how could he “make himself nothing” by “being made in…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ July 23 2010,14:40)Who were JC's parents? God and Mary. Therefore it follows that he would be found in the form of God.Hi barley,How exactly then did he come to “be made” in human likeness AFTER he was in the form of God? You are saying because he was God's Son even in the flesh, we can say he was “in the form of God”, right?…[Read more]

Ah good!  Gene has come to play!   It's hard to answer your points about this passage in that other muddled up thread.You said:Quote Does God the Father have a (FORM) i think not, He is formless, He is pure Spirit, So God exists in a spirit “form” or “nature”, right?  It is saying that Jesus existed in that same “form” or “nature” before em…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2010,12:50)Hi MB, Micaiah was in the minority and right.Hi Nick,As were some single prophets of God in the midst of many false prophets.I didn't post about minority or majority.JA and Nick, come on – you guys are moderators. Please help me to keep this simple little thread on topic of Phil 2.thanks,mike

Quote (JustAskin @ July 23 2010,12:45)There is nothing “MAGICAL” about the statement. Paul was simply stating that Jesus did not simply come into being as a man born of Mary but had being existing in the “Form of God”, “A Spirit”JA,I agree 100%.mike

Quote (davidbfun @ July 21 2010,00:47)Son of God comes FROM God and is God-natured.God, the Son is GOD! (Breaking the 1st Commandment)Thus, Jesus' claim to being the son of God denies him being God and destroys the Trinity.DavidPS IF the Trinity Doctrine is false THEN the teachings built on this foundation are false.Amen to that.mike

Quote (davidbfun @ July 21 2010,00:47)Son of God comes FROM God and is God-natured.God, the Son is GOD! (Breaking the 1st Commandment)Thus, Jesus' claim to being the son of God denies him being God and destroys the Trinity.DavidPS IF the Trinity Doctrine is false THEN the teachings built on this foundation are false.Amen to that.mike

Quote (JustAskin @ July 23 2010,11:51)Mike,As far as I see it “Form” simply means “Spirit”.Jesus was as a “Spirit Being” like God is a Spirit Being.If it was anything more complicated then John was in the wrong for not explaining it.Hi JA,It was Paul that wrote Phillipians, not John.And I agree with your understanding it meant he was spirit, then…[Read more]

Wow Dennison!First you applaud WJ for “entrapping” me with a “loaded” question and then imply that we can not take the whole of scripture into account to help us figure out what is really meant in a certain passage.   Well, as a Christian, I disagree with both of your opinions.  Entrapment is deceitful and I would imagine it is frowned upon by J…[Read more]

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2010,12:48)I only ask for (ONE) scripture that specifically says Jesus was a live being before he was born on earth, Produce that and you have a fellow believer. But to force text to come out that way is not good form brother.Hi Gene,How about this one?“And now, Father, gorify me in your presence with the glory I had…[Read more]

Strong's says,morphe 1) the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision 2) external appearanceThis would fit in with Jesus being the exact visible representation of the invisible God.The same Greek word is used in Mark 16:12,12Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country.mike

Quote (JustAskin @ July 23 2010,11:09)Mike,First DEFINE your understanding of what “the FORM OF GOD” is.This is the crux of the matter for some.Some have substituted “Nature” for “Form”. Are you allowing this?Hi JA,I personally read it to say, “Being a spirit being as is God, he emptied himself and was made a flesh and blood being, as is…[Read more]

Hi All, This is from my debate with Jack and is my understanding of John 1:1,in     beginning      was     the     word     and     the     word     was     with     the     god      and     god      was       the       wordYou'll notice that John distinguishes between the two mentions of the word “god”. One of them has the definite article “THE”…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2010,10:50)Hi MB, Is what is seen personally as implication relevant?Hi Nick,Absolutely. We have been over this before. YOUR whole understanding of scripture is based on what YOU infer the words to mean in any praticular verse.Stay on topic. Do you have an opinion as to what this passage means?If so, please state it…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 19 2010,18:56)you want to talk about Rev 21. ok quickly1.  verse 2 states that the new jersulem came from God out of heaven, verse 3 states that a voice of heaven spoke to him. 2.  verse 5 states that a different person is speaking, the one who is speaking out of the throne, the water of life is the same fountian t…[Read more]

Hi All,Jesus being at God's right hand figuratively means he is God's “right hand man”, like RM said.  A right hand man is never equal to or the same being as the one they are at the right hand of.  The one in power appoints the other to that esteemed right hand position.The other use in the Bible is when God is at your right hand, it indicates H…[Read more]

Whoa there Dennison! I think it was an honest mistake that Theodore made, you don't have to YELL! peace and love,mike