See what you made me do, Nick?I was saving that one for later. mike

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 27 2010,14:29)Hi MB, As you say assumptions abound. Far better to leave aside matters relating to implication which have no bearing on our salvation. There are much more important things to do-serving God.I try to stay focused on this passage, Nick:3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2010,13:17)Hi MB, Why do you think that?Do you disagree with Ps 104?Nick,Just answer the question Nick.Is God's Holy Spirit, which is a part OF Him, His only begotten Son through whom everything was created?mike

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 27 2010,14:10)Hi MB, Jesus was not given his name till he was conceived of Mary. So why would you assume this is about him before then?The Spirit of Christ is indeed in the form of GodWhy would you assume that when speaking of Jesus' pre-existence, one would have to clarify by saying, “The one who would later be known as…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 27 2010,13:38)Hi MB, Phil 2 speaks of CHRIST JESUS, not just Jesus.It speaks of the anointed man There is a difference.Hi Nick,And Matt 1:18 speaks of the human birth of Christ Jesus.mike

Okay barley Gene and Martian,You have all made it clear that you read the words differently than I do.  I want to point out one last thing before calling Phil 2 a stalemate.  And by that, I mean there is no sense in us brothers beating each other up when it is clear that none of us is just being obstinate here.  We all believe how we do based on…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ July 27 2010,05:58)Mike,Let me add one more point to my previous post. Christ functioning as  a God fits directly with him being the firstborn. As firstborn he has the responsibility to represent his father. To act in his name. Everything Christ did he gave credit to his father because he represented him as the one in firstborn…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 27 2010,04:32)Jesus was and always will be one of Us brother, he never was any different then us.Hi Gene,Do you have a human father? Did Jesus? Enough said?mike

Hi Martian,You said:Quote Tell me how does an invisible spirit strike the vision? Can you even see it?Are you saying you know that spirit creatures don't have a body?  Paul says Jesus now has a spiritual body.  How is one angel distinguished from another in heaven?  If they didn't have some kind of “body” or “boundary” separating them as an in…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ July 27 2010,03:09)That is a nice philosophical theory but practically does nothing to help me in reality. I do not have a prior spiritual life to give up. Duh!!!What DO you have to give up for the glory of your God? Duh!!

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 27 2010,02:20)Mike……..look Jesus had the (same identical nature we have, a human nature, he also had as we can a divine nature , the only exception was he had the fullness of the spirit coupled with great power and authority , given him because he was without sin as explained by martian before, He simply did not…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2010,15:34)Hi SF, That is from catholic theology not scripture. God does not live in sinners.Hi Nick,Thanks for that. I here the omnipresence thing alot, but don't ever remember seeing it in scripture.mike

Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2010,09:38)Well,I see it where He was begotten as the Son of God before the ages, begotten as the Son of God as a man in Mary, begotten from the dead at the resurrection.

Hi Nick,So God's Holy Spirit, which is a part OF Him, is His only begotten Son through whom everything was created?mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 26 2010,12:37)Mike…………Jesus emptied himself of the Position that was afforded him by having that Spirit Nature,Okay Gene,You gave answering the first part of the question a shot.  Let's just go with your answer for now.What about the second part of the question?And if he was already in the form of a human WHILE…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 26 2010,12:12)Mike………..You teach preexistence , should we feel the same about you, because your lack of understanding?Gene,First, THE SCRIPTURES TEACH PRE-EXISTENCE, not me. Btw, when will you answer my question in the Phil 2 thread?Second, I'm not the one saying “the holy spirit taught me” this or that. While I…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ July 26 2010,11:33)Mike,I do not like leaving things undone.I will make this short.Do you agree that there are instances of Christ being compared to Adam?Did you read the post on what Adam lost?Hi Martian,Yes, there are instances of Christ being contrasted to Adam.  That is not to say that everything written about Christ also has…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ July 26 2010,11:00)Might I add?Jesus Christ chose to be obedient to his parents. I chose to be obedient to mine.Hi barley,Why do you keep avoiding the very simple question? If Jesus was already in the form of a human WHILE he was in the form of God, how did he then empty himself and be made in the form of a human?mike

Quote (martian @ July 26 2010,10:55)G3444. morphe, mor-fay'; perh. from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts); shape; fig. nature:–form.Hi Martian,Well, there you go.  Strong says morphe means “shape” or “form”.  That fits well with what my sources also say,1) the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision2) e…[Read more]

Hi Nick,So God's Holy Spirit, which is a part OF Him, is His only begotten Son through whom everything was created?mike