Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2010,16:24)Hi MB, By the same token which verse says Jesus is the Word?Are you serious Nick?Irene has answered this enough times for you already. How do you come to think the one called “Word of God” in Rev, a book John wrote before he wrote his gospel, is not “the Word” in John 1?mike

Quote (942767 @ July 29 2010,11:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 29 2010,10:02)Quote (942767 @ July 29 2010,09:46)And so, bread of life that came down from heaven = words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are lifeHi Marty,So is it your contention that it was the “spirit” saying it would ascend to where it was before?mikeMike:He said that…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ July 29 2010,10:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2010,14:28)Hello All,Does John 6:62 prove Jesus pre-existed?  I say yes.  What say you all?62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!mikeMikeboll64,Nope!barleyHi barley,Why not?mike

Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,10:39)Sorry got ahead of myself. Before I invest more time on this forum I need to ask you a question.Mike,Are you willing to follow these principles I have posted? If not then post some alternatives. If you will not tell me why? Do you not want to be careful with the text of scripture?Hi Martian,Look, I don't mean to…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 29 2010,09:46)And so, bread of life that came down from heaven = words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are lifeHi Marty,So is it your contention that it was the “spirit” saying it would ascend to where it was before?mike

Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,08:57)John 1:6, “There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.” Where is God?  In heaven? Was not John also sent from Heaven?Hi Martian,I don't know what John 1:6 is suppose to prove or disprove.  Is it your claim that John the Baptist wasn't sent from heaven?  How do you know?  God had a good deal to do wit…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2010,15:12)So why do you imagine any preexistance possibilities for Jesus would make any difference to his works done in God's name?This is what trips me out most about this pre-exsitence thing. You that say Jesus didn't pre-exist have “reasons” for wanting him not to have pre-existed. Now you ask me why his…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 27 2010,18:12)Hi Irene, Jesus came from his conception in his mother. The Spirit of Christ came from Heaven.That Word is Of God and is God.No Nick.Jesus came from heaven. He says so. What scripture says “the spirit of Christ came from heaven”? And the Word was with THE God, and was divine.mike

Besides, Jesus never sits on the throne in Rev. He stands in, or “in the midst” of the throne as the Lamb, but takes the scroll from the One seated ON the throne.Do you agree this is all God talking? Or at least the part starting with verse 5? God is the only one ever spoken of as seated on the throne in Rev, and that's who John says is…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 27 2010,15:32)so your just going to ignore that john believes jesus is the one coming quickly ?Absolutely not!  I will not ignore your interpretation of that scripture when we get there.  In fact, I've been through this one before and have an answer ready and waiting.  But first, are you satisfied that it at least could…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 27 2010,15:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2010,05:37)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2010,15:34)Hi SF, That is from catholic theology not scripture. God does not live in sinners.Hi Nick,Thanks for that.  I here the omnipresence thing alot, but don't ever remember seeing it in scripture.mikepaslms 139I read that God's…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2010,14:52)Hi MB, Yes he is the great prophet promised.The fullness of the Spirit was given to him and in this blessing he preached and did works of power.But you surmise he was radically different from other prophets?What things did he say or do that were not of this anointing??Well, for one, he amazed everyone by…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ July 28 2010,14:06)No, actually you read different words than those that are there.Hey barley and all,Read it again:5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God,     did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing,     taking the form of a ser…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2010,14:10)Hi MB, God's Spirit said many things through this man.And many other men too, Nick.Yet only one of them speaks being sent “from heaven” and “ascending to where he was before” “in the presence” of God “before the creation of the world”, right? Only one of them claims to have “seen God”, right?mike

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2010,13:44)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,12:26)You guys can't answer this can you? Abraham like all the others are with Jesus and the Father.WJ,I believe that a very few went right from existence in flesh straight to spiritual existence in heaven.Jesus says that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were three of them.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,12:28)YepThis is what happens when the light is turned on. They just start making accusations for they have no defence to the truth.Not at all a new thing, this is what they accused Jesus of in his day.WJYou know what WJ?I have watched you and Jack double team so many people here.  You don't even give them a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,12:26)You guys can't answer this can you? Abraham like all the others are with Jesus and the Father.WJ,I believe that a very few went right from existence in flesh straight to spiritual existence in heaven.Jesus says that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were three of them.  The fact that Moses and Elijah talked to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 28 2010,12:20)Really WJ?Why did Jesus tell the parable about the weeds?  Is this earth literally full of human “weeds” and “wheat”?  Is that what humans are literally?It was a parable, man.mikeHumans are like weeds when the harvest comes Mike.Do you see the parrallel to reality?WJYes, I see the parallel.  Does th…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,11:50)Good night! Mike, Rebuttal# 8 will come in a couple of days. That last one wore me out so I am taking a break.  Jack   I'm not even breaking a sweat yet.And that was a very underhanded dishonest thing you did in our debate.  Our original debate was about “Is Jesus God?”, and as one of the sub-topics, we we…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 28 2010,11:46)Nope! Jesus said, “TODAY you will be with me in paradise.”Really Jack?There is no punctuation in the Greek.  The words say:amen to you I am saying today with me you will be in the paradiseYet you are CONFIDENT it has to be rendered YOUR way.  That's a trinitarian for you.mike