Quote (kerwin @ July 30 2010,21:57)I believe the debate about Philipians 2 centers on what the word “form” is referring to in verse 6.   I firmly believe it is referring to Jesus' attitude being the same as God's.No Kerwin,That's where YOU want it to center.  For me it is the last five words.  He was “ginomai”, which means “caused to exist”, in hu…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 31 2010,14:57)Good!Good point!Your fellow student,KerwinHey guys, thrash all you want. I'll just keep waiting for an answer to how Jesus is exactly the same as us when we all have human fathers and Jesus didn't.mike

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2010,01:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2010,01:22)Answer my question in plain English, Ed.   mikeHi Mike,After Jesus returned to Heaven, Jesus then sends the “Spirit of God” in behalf of “God The Father” to all the believers in God. The LORD JEHOVAH sends “Jesus Christ” back with the “HolySpirit” in behalf of the Believers!…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2010,03:37)Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 01 2010,02:58)Hi Edj,1) So when I said to Mike that I had Begotten him as “Spiritual Brother” does that mean I gave birth to him, and to KarMarie as “Spiritual Sister”?2) Surely there are Scripturally intelligent people in this forum who can see past Earthly views…3) Always think in the…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 01 2010,02:58)Mike, nothing to do with PROCREATION…Ah, but you keep avoiding the fact that the word Paul quoted in Psalm 2 was “yalad”.  And yalad was ONLY about procreation.  So while you can say you “gennao” me and it doesn't have to do with a literal birth, you could not say you “yalad” me unless you literally gave b…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 01 2010,03:08)Wowee you guys…This is tremendous scoping in treacherous waters – who is drowning under the flood. Gene, what colour spectacles do you wear – I bet they are a spectacle – makes you look like you are blind…so you can say, “I'm not blind. it's the spectacles! Who's asking me any way, where are you?”And Mike,…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 01 2010,02:52)Jesus was called out from the Beginning as a (seed of the women) who would bruise the head of the serpent, but his did not exist till he was born here on earth.Yes Gene,Jesus was predestined to be the seed of Mary who would bruise the head of the serpent.  The serpent that he helped to create, along with…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 01 2010,02:15)Hi AllI don't usually agree with Mike on much but it is clear what the scriptures say on his preexistence.Welcome WJ!It's funny how, while in the middle of my last reponse to barley, I stepped outside and was talking to God and asking for the words to make these guys understand what they can't seem to…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 01 2010,02:24)Mike take time and go read the Site and Article Martian posted for you brother read it carefully and thoroughly brother, and then come back and lets discuss it further, me , barely, martian Nick , all have great expectation of you coming to see and understand this brother. IMOI've got a better idea,…[Read more]

Hi barley/oatmeal,So your contention is that because Jesus wasn't literally a loaf of bread, he didn't literally ascend to where he was before?Oh but he did.  And the disciples actually watched him ascend.  And Stephen actually saw to where he ascended.I don't remember Stephen seeing any “saints” also at God's right hand.  And I don't know of an…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 01 2010,01:29)We all were foreordained by GOD but we as far as we know never did preexist.That's a good point Gene.  How many humans OTHER THAN JESUS can say “I will ascend to where I was before”?So as far as we know, no OTHER human has pre-existed, right?But Jesus DOES actually say these words that no other human…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ July 28 2010,12:14)JustAskin, I think you know what I mean, if you say a word over and over in three different threads, begotten, begotten, begotten, what does it mean, begotten, it gets really strange,Hi Shimmer,And at what point do we give up any chance whatsoever that it still means what it's definition actually says it…[Read more]

Answer my question in plain English, Ed. mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 31 2010,10:49)Mike ………..We are waiting on your response brother. If you get ride of  your Preconceived Ideologies and begin anew you will begin to see Jesus (EXACTLY) as one of Us and the encouragement will greatly increase in you. Mike Jesus was indeed in rank ahead of John the Baptist and this is exactly what…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ July 31 2010,03:36)To all,I want to be clear that I have no personal grudge against Mike. However, I am attacking his methods for coming to his interpretations of scripture.In my previous post I should point out a few things. Mike has stated that his methods include studying the Greek/Hebrew words and considering the context.Mike…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ July 31 2010,03:14)So this verse could be translated He existed first in time -OR-He is to be first in influence and  honour, the chiefHi Martian,Did you notice the word used is “en” which is the imperfect tense form of “eimi”?  In most verbs, the “imperfect tense” amounts to a continual action.  But used with the verb “to be”, it…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2010,15:24)Hi Mike,You seem to have a lot of trouble understanding “Rev.19:11-21” is talking about The “HolySpirit”; but I can help!Hi Ed,And you have trouble following you logic through to the end. If the Word was God's holy spirit, and Jesus was God's holy spirit manifested, then how could Jesus say he would send the holy…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 29 2010,14:08)If you say Jesus because he did not have a earthly Father makes him a preexisting being of some kind that is a stretch of the scripturesWhat I say is that Jesus not having a human father makes him DIFFERENT from all of us as humans. You guys WANT Jesus to be exactly the same as you to the point you will…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2010,14:01)Hi MB, Read above . FORM for a start.And what is YOUR definition of it. Please provide a source of your info that leads you to believe this way.mike

Quote (barley @ July 30 2010,14:05)Mikeboll64,Rather than repeat. See 942767's posts.He does a marvelous job of expounding on that scripture and the context. I see no reason to add or modify his posts.barleyOkay, I can live with your answer to the “manna” post for now.mike