Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 02 2010,04:41)Mike,But don't you believe that Jesus was literally created by God, not begotten.  Was Adam 'yalad' by God, I don't think so.  Were the angels begotten or created?  What do you think is the difference between how the angels came into being and how the Son came into being?Thanks,KathiKathi,What do you want me…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 01 2010,14:44)942767……….Those who are worldly minded think The true words of GOD are foolishness as it appears JA does and His pride comes spewing out almost every time he posts, He think by ridiculing others makes Him look important ans more intelligent,  Not realizing it only makes him look foolish, His…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 01 2010,14:20)Hi Mike:I know this by the scriptures.  First, the body did not exist until “Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost and born of the virgin Mary”.  Are we in agreement so far?Hi Marty,No, we are not in agreement.  What scripture tells you that spirit beings don't have “bodies”?  Paul says that Jesus is now in hea…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 01 2010,08:37)Mike,You claimed that WJ can attest to my “Pride” so i asked what his qualification was for the claim of my pride. I think it is simple enough and moreover, was from your own post.Quote http://www.guardian.bz/all-politics/1451-never-argue-with-a-foolnMark Twain is famously recorded as saying, “Never argue w…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 01 2010,15:01)MIke……you say scripture says Jesus (PREEXISTED) His berth Please post that for all of us to see. I have yet see the word PREEXISTED in any scripture.Hi Gene,Scripture also doesn't specifically say God “pre-existed” the creation of the world either. Yet we know He did, right? We know by other words…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 01 2010,14:04)By the authority that God had given him as His Son and His Christ, he was in the “form of God”, but he did not let this “go to his head”.  The scripture states that “he made himself not reputation”, but became like us in every way allowing himself to be tempted in every way in order that he might overcome sin,…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 01 2010,20:34)I agree with JustAskin and others, you have to see the Spiritual side, sometimes things aren't clear in scripture, some things just have to be taken in Faith, assuming things gets too complex Mike, just have trust, Take care.Hi Shimmer,That's a pretty vague statement.  Oxy and barley and Gene think Jesus was…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 01 2010,10:22)EPHESIANS 1:20-23 shows God “begetting” Jesus to his raised position – would it not be at this point that Jesus was offered “The Nations as an inheritance and the ends of the earth as a possession”?Certainly not when he was born/created/begotten – he had not done anything yet… and there were no Nations nor…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 01 2010,10:21)Hey JA,Pretty good! Mike needs for words to mean what he wants them to mean. It's like the word “all.” Mike takes it literally in Colossians 1:15. But in verse 23 he says that “all” is an “exaggeration.” He denies also that “all” means “all” in reference to Christ having “all authority.”Hi Jack,That's…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 01 2010,10:14)I would have thought that after – how many months now – and how many threads – it would have got through to Mike, but it seems not.He did say he would give in of he was shown proof …!Hi JA,I said it, and I meant it. Unfortunately, I'm still waiting for that “proof”. mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 01 2010,08:54)will show him in my next post in the debate examples of the Heb word Yalad where it is obvious it is used without a “Litteral birth” or to be born.  Jack has already shown him one example but he continues to ignore it.The Apostle Paul a Hebrew of the Hebrews uses the equivalant word which is “gennaō”…[Read more]

Hi JA,Welcome to the club!  You have done some research to gain an understanding of what Hebrew words actually meant in an effort to gain an even more thorough understanding of what a certain scripture meant!  I am so proud of you!  You see, to research is NOT to say you need MORE than scripture, it is just to say you want to understand co…[Read more]

JA,Now could YOU explain what God might have meant by using a word the Hebrews could have only understood as “procreated”?mike

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 01 2010,04:37)Mike,Please can you explain Psalm 2: 7-9 for me, verse by verse (or as much of Psalm 2 as you wish) to include chronology and persons spoken of (David/Jesus):Quote 7 “I will declare the decree:         The LORD has said to Me,         ‘You are My Son,         Today I have begotten You. 8 Ask of Me, and I wi…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 01 2010,06:18)How was Adam the same as us despite the fact he does not have a human father?  What about Eve?  What about a cloned female human?Hi Kerwin,Who said Adam was the same as us?  He and Eve and Jesus were obviously different than Abel, Cain, and every single one of us.Besides, this thread is about whether or not Je…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 01 2010,04:23)Mike,I felt an obligation to post why I believe that your methods of interpretation are dishonest and inaccurate. To my target audience I have done that. Because of your indoctrination into the world of dishonest bible study I know I will never change YOUR mind. I feel no more obligation to engage with you…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 01 2010,05:59)Mike,Pride, who ARE my DETRACTORS and WHAT IS their qualification?The “two fools” is from Scriptures.Hi JA,I don't understand the question. Are you implying your posts aren't only prideful, but sometimes downright arrogant?And what scripture has the “two fools”? I'd like to read it. Thanks.mike

Quote (martian @ Aug. 01 2010,04:25)Mike,I felt an obligation to post why I believe that your methods of interpretation are dishonest and inaccurate. To my target audience I have done that. Because of your indoctrination into the world of dishonest bible study I know I will never change YOUR mind. I feel no more obligation to engage with you…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 01 2010,04:59)Mike,Because this is foolish debating… Gene is hardcore… Granite and you are bruising yourself on him – and I can't sit by and watch you, Brother, bruise yourself like this.”For the wise man arguing in public with the fool becomes like the fool. To a bystander, it is not discernible which is which!”And as…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2010,04:12)Hi Mike,YHVH God is One. Does giving you an emboldened trail help you to see what I'm saying?No Ed,Answering my direct questions is what will lead me to take it a step further and scripturally show you how you are misunderstanding the scriptures themselves.So…….could you answer my last direct question with a…[Read more]