Oh, and I forgot to mention……on the contrary, God cannot possibly sin, right?mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2010,14:40)Mike,Good question.  There are verses about the Son being made perfect but I don't think that talks about His nature but more of a sufficiency.  This verse claims that He is the exact representation of His nature (God's).Heb 1:33 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 03 2010,07:47)But that is your opinion assuming that Ignatius believed that Jesus had a beginning or that the words begotten means “to be literraly born” from the Father.For John doesn't use the term “Monogenes” in John 1:1, but in fact it was used n relation to his coming in the flesh.I believe that is why Ignatius…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2010,13:59)1. Is He like God like one nickel is like another nickel but they are not the same nickel?or2. Is He like God with a perfect nature also but is not the God He is like?I vote for candidate #2 with a “but”. He is definitely not the God he is like, which is his Father and his God. But……..does scripture…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 03 2010,05:59)Based on these facts it is ambiguous to say that Jesus was “literrally born” as in “God brought birth to a god”.So you agree at least these facts COULD mean Jesus was literally born?Excellent.mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2010,13:18)Good post Mike.  The question that begs to be answered by you is whether or not the Son has the same nature as His Father, a nature that is not foreign to the Father, but the same nature…a nature that always existed and not a new and different nature, like the angels and mankind had.KathiWell, let's see.the…[Read more]

Hi Shimmer, JA, WJ and All,Psalm 2:7  NASB “I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.Shimmer asked:Quote Which day was this day, what is begotten,You are right in your thought that it all boils down to these two things, along with the “You are my Son” part.Your first question, “W…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 03 2010,02:10)You see everybody Mike thinks he knows more than the writers of the NT in which Paul a Hebrew of the Hebrews who had access to the LXX used the word “gennaō” which is the Greek word for “Yalad”, in ways that did not mean “literraly Born” which also is in line with the Hebrew scriptures which have…[Read more]

Which reminds me JA,I got side tracked for a minute. Now that we both understand that “yalad” has to do with begetting, and not any of the alternate things that the Greek word “gennao” can imply (like when you “begot” me), why do you think God would use that word about His Son knowing full well how the Hebrews would understand it?mike

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 02 2010,10:12)Mike, mine says – “Yes, God loved the world so muchthat he gave his only Son,so that everyone who believes in him, may not be lost,”Book of Wisdom – http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv/rsv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=3905445Hi Shimmer,The Greek word translated is “mono genes”.  “Mono” is simple enough to understand.…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 02 2010,05:57)In terms of Psalm 2, There was no nation nor any earth to offer to 'Jesus' before there was an Earth and Nations created.Further, there was no 'Day' in which God could say 'This Day…'. DaysHi JA, First, answer to my “arrogant king and his newborn son” analogy.  Tell me why this couldn't happen within the…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 02 2010,09:29)Mike, Ecclesiastes 12:12 “For the writing of many books there is no end, my son, much study is weariness to the flesh” Begotten Id rather not assume things when it's not crystal clear on it, I believe God takes up any who He loves, Scripture says the Lord was begotten from the dead from what I see, I dont…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 02 2010,06:53)JA,What do you think the Son was before He came into being?Quick JA! Run for your life and sanity! Don't bite into this one brother.Kathi is now on a kick where Jesus DID always exist as a “seed” in God's loins or whatever. Therefore, she thinks, he IS Co-Eternal with God.mike

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 02 2010,05:33)Mike,I appreciate your study and bringing up the word Yalad.That wasn't one of the words I've studied in the past but it is an interesting word. I read the posts, thought and researched the English and we have a difference between the verbs begetting and bearing. Begetting is the fathering and bearing is the…[Read more]

Hi JA,You said:Quote Hi Mike,Yes, you are right about my Pride, yet, I did not Fall…what does that say? Were the 70 sent out by Jesus not also 'proud' of their trouncing of evil spirits? Did they not 'boast in the Spirit'?Very well sir.  And all that I was saying is, “How can you lecture me about MY pride, when you too feel pride in helping…[Read more]

R-8I have shown from archaeological evidence that the predecessors of the Hebrews used a plural of majesty.  Jack has not refuted this concrete evidence.I have shown that the definition of the Hebrew word for plural is “term of grandiosities”.  Jack has not refuted this fact.I have shown that this plural of grandiosities is applied in scripture t…[Read more]

Hi All,Last February, Jack and I started a debate about whether or not Jesus is God.  I was a new member of HN and started the debate with an idea that trinitarians had 4 or 5 “proof texts” that I could easily dismantle.  Boy was I wrong!  There are hundreds of scriptures these guys try to use to support the trinity.  It didn't take long for Jac…[Read more]

Hi Ed,This is my question from before:So, when Jesus was still on earth telling his disciples he would ask that the Father send a helper, he was really saying:”I will request the Father send me back to help you guys”?mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 01 2010,17:52)Wow, so you believe that God is not omnipresent.That is very Good to know.Like I said to Nick, this is just a concept I've seen posted many times, but I have never looked into it.The Bible talks of angels on horses roaming the earth to prepare a report for God on the state of the earth.We read of…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 01 2010,16:23)IT all started with chapter 22. The OT has nothing to do with it,its about what John believed right,So John clearly believed that it was Jesus returning.But I thought we were first trying to find out who was the Alpha and Omega in 21:6, right?The NETBible renders it like this,21:5 And the one seated on…[Read more]