Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 08 2010,08:36)Mike,Are you seriously saying that you think Ezekiel 28:15, is about Adam?Please brother, think again… I urge you with genuine concern.Consider:Why is he called the “Anointed Cherub”?What was it that he “Covers”?Also, What are the “Fiery Stones” that he walked amongst?And what is the significance of being on…[Read more]

Done – Mod Squad Jack, neither of those quotes say anything about Jesus being God Almighty. And the one about "God said…." isn't even scriptural. Are these the knuckleheads that you wish to follow?mike

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 08 2010,07:20)Mike,Put you finger here: Ezekiel 28:15, and see the verse: “Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.”Hi JA,Ahh…..I see.  I don't read the KJV – it's too hard for me to even understand what it's saying.     But here are some other translations:NET ©…[Read more]

Hi Martian, You said:Quote Was Christ angry when he threw out the money changers? Was Christ angry when he called the pharasees a brood of snakes? It is not a sin to be angry when a person (namely you) disdains the mission of Christ and misrepresents the character of God.I have to admit……you got me there.  In fact, not only Jesus, but also…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 08 2010,07:10)Mike,I dubbed you “Thomas”  – How such like (Twice now, I hope you don't make it a third time, or I may have to call you Philip and Peter as well!!).Are you really asking me to point out Scripture to you :    “How long have you been and yet you ask 'Show me the Scripture'”    “Do not be unbelieving, but beli…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Aug. 08 2010,05:34)BOTH GROUPS WERE TRINITARIANS!DO YOU GOT IT NOW KATHI? KEITH AND I ARE TRINITARIANS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT THE WORD IS ETERNAL. BUT WE SIDE WITH TERTULLIAN AND THE APOLOGISTS WHO TAUGHT THAT THE WORD BECAME SON.You have been informed once again Kathi. If you continue to accuse Keith and I of…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 08 2010,06:12)And by the way, and having not read the posts from previous pages, but Mike is right (top post on this page)……except that, Mike, you may want to consider that “Lucifer” was “Perfect in the day of his creation until iniquity was found in him”Hi JA,I'd like to see that “perfect Satan” scripture. Where is…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 08 2010,04:21)It does not say that God is the alpha and the omega in 21:7, it says the one sitting on the throne. Yes he did, i already clarifed that John does believe that it is Jesus due to what he said in his last statements in 22.I did prove scriputreally that it is Jesus.Just because you SAID that I didnt prove…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2010,14:38)I took out the extra stuff so that it would read more clearly.Hi Kathi,Yeah, that helped. Do you think that “worship” could mean “hold in the highest reverence” with the exception of the God who's SON they are holding in high esteem?See if you can find any of them “praying” to Jesus as God.I've got…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 06 2010,16:16)im very sure that Martian responded to my post,and questioned my salvation….. yet i cant find his response anywhere…..I know he posted something, i was checking it on my touchscreen phone..now im online and i dont see it anywherewas it deleted?or wrong thread?I didn't see it anywhere Dennison.…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,But your claims of “I believe it is Jesus……so there!” don't really mean anything.If you could go through Rev and find one time that (for some odd reason) John doesn't refer to God as “God”, but instead uses that word “God” in referrence to “God's Son”, then it would be worth a closer look.This was my earlier point about the other…[Read more]

Hi Rm,I see a few problems here.  First, Jesus was never “God in the flesh”.  Jesus has been the Son of God since he was begotten before all the ages – not God Himself.  God hasn't made any “intelligent” being that scripture says was “unable to sin”, or “perfect”.  If I'm mistaken, show the scripture where God made man or angel or Son “pe…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 06 2010,17:01)But its strange that it starts out both about the beginning,than about what was made,than about the light,and than the darknessDoes this mean anything?Hi Dennison,That is a cool realization, brother. And it's worth a closer look.mike

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 08 2010,00:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 06 2010,14:11)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2010,16:30)A. I said the HolySpirit was “in” Jesus. (John 1:33-34 / Acts 10:38)Okay Ed,So if the holy spirit is IN Jesus, then it can't actually BE Jesus, right?mikeHi Mike,Psalm 100:3 Know ye that The LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 06 2010,14:55)Oh, I know, “All things are possible to those who believe”, and so, go on believing what you will, Mike, but there is no scripture to support what you are indicating “that Jesus submitted himself to be begotten of human flesh”.Hi Marty, Yes, there is.  It is the one we've been discussing.  And it directly says w…[Read more]

Hi barley,I don't understand you guys either.  What's going on here?  When I read the Bible, this passage (along with many others) clearly said to me that Jesus pre-existed.I'm not ignoring select words in the verses, but just pointing out the ones that undoubtedly speak of a pre-existence.  And now that I've delved deeper into it and know what th…[Read more]

Hey All!  I just thought of a better analogy for what KJ is trying in our debate.  I was calling it the “everything at the speed of light” attack.  But I'm going to change that to the “Scooby Doo” attack.    At the beginning of each episode of Scooby Doo, the place really seems haunted, because all of the villain’s tricks are thrown at you all at…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 05 2010,15:39)Nice try Mike but you have to look at the word “perfect” and dig a little deeper.  I will help you:The Greek word for 'perfect' is teleioo NT:5048 teleio/w teleioo (tel-i-o'-o); from NT:5046; to complete, i.e. (literally) accomplish, or (figuratively) consummate (in character):KJV – consecrate, finish,…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2010,16:30)A. I said the HolySpirit was “in” Jesus. (John 1:33-34 / Acts 10:38)Okay Ed,So if the holy spirit is IN Jesus, then it can't actually BE Jesus, right?mike

Hi Dennison,What I meant was what is next about the Alpha and Omega thing?Do you want to go scripture by scripture in Rev and see if Jesus is referred to as “God” anywhere? Here, I'll start.Rev 1:1,1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him……Jesus is one person, “God” is another. Don't you think the “God” mentioned here (who is…[Read more]