Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2010,09:00)Even Ignatius believed in the three and preached that the Holy Spirit is a seperate person of the Godhead.You pick and choose what you want and then distort what they really meant.Your claim that they believed like you as far as Jesus being begotten is ambiguous at best because to be begotten does not…[Read more]

Hi All,Now for part 2 of “Secular Information”.Here's what it all comes down to for me.  The Bible says Jesus was begotten before all things.  It says he is the only begotten Son of God. The trinitarians do not want that to mean LITERALLY begotten, for that would bring their empire crashing down with one punch.  So they must invent new meanings fo…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 12 2010,08:48)Mike,I accept your apology.Hi JA,How gracious of you. While by now I have become accustomed to being talked down to by you, I should have continued turning the other cheek. I let the evil one in for a minute, and I am truly sorry for the things I said.peace and love,mike

Hi JA, Shimmer, Kathi and All,I totally understand what JA and Shimmer are saying about secular sources.  But JA, you have been posting in the Alpha and Omega thread.  RM cited Rev 1:11 from the KJV,11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in A…[Read more]

Hi Dennison,I know you keep saying you don't want to debate whether Jesus is “God” right now. But I'm in a pickle here. The Alpha and Omega of chapter 21 is God. And that is the same one who is “seated on the throne” throughout Rev. How can I refute your claim that it is Jesus who says he is the Alpha and Omega without pointing out that it is…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 11 2010,05:18)What Mike said about “echad” is NOT true. The word “echad” comes from the word “achad” which means “to unify” (see Strong's# 259-259). At least two persons are needed in order for a unification to take place.Sorry Charlie, you are incorrect sir.What about Deut 17:6 that I posted but you ignored? It…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2010,04:54)Yachid vs. Echad The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one !” There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has one exclusive meaning: the numeric, solitary oneness of God (“yachid” or “bad”).…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 11 2010,04:33)TO ALL:In my debate with Mikeboll he included Adam Clarke in his list of “legitimate” scholars. So Mike should consider Clarke's commentary above which says that Christ is YHWH.Hi Jack,I won't even bother reading it. When YOU agree with him that Ez 34:24 is about Jesus, I'll look into what he says about…[Read more]

Okay SF,Now were back to what I said, and what JA is saying.  Except I don't want to go 5 points at a time.  One point at a time is all that is needed to eventually get there.  I already posted my first one, but you wanted a judge.  My point is that ONLY God sits on the throne, and Jesus is ALWAYS someone OTHER THAN GOD in Rev.  The very firs…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 10 2010,01:30)Mike……….Your problem is to convience us that , that glory Jesus had (Before) as an existing Being of some kind. God has destined may to that glory, here is an example. “What is man that thou are so mindful of him, and the sons of men that your are so kind to them , for thou hast created them lower…[Read more]

Hi Martian,I'll take that as a “NO” that you can't answer the black bolded part DIRECTLY. Thanks.Oh, and one more thing; you do know there is a difference between believing the dictionary's definitions of words and believing someone's interpretation of scriptures, don't you? We can all access the words. In fact I noticed you spouting about…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 11 2010,10:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 09 2010,14:20)Hey guys, Unfortunately, patting each other on the back doesn't count as scriptural proof.   Neither do your wishes for Jesus to be the same as us.What do ya say……..is it time for 17:5?Okay then……..coming right up fellas.peace and love,mikeAnd yet when Irene was…[Read more]

Those are just words Gene. I already posted the new one: John 17:5mike

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 11 2010,10:49)11Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.Hi RM,The words Alpha and Omega and…[Read more]

Hey JA,Just show me your PROOF that begotten in Psalm 2:7 and monogenes everywhere in the NT doesn't refer to a literal begetting. Where is your proof………not assumptions?The word “yalad” means begotten. The word “monogenes” means “only begotten”. Just show me where it doesn't.mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 11 2010,05:46)That shoots Kathi's “inspired revelation” to hades doesn't it?Hey Jack,Is there a reason you have to say it so degradingly and harshly? Just asking.mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,12:04)I have never claimed that God was bisexual Roo, never.  Prove it or apologize or this will also be reported.  Do you even know what 'bisexual' means?  I'm giving you a chance to prove that I said that God was bisexual,that God performed an act of sex to have a Son,and that I worship a pagan god.I will give yo…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 11 2010,11:52)Mike………The you are denying Jesus as a true brother of ours, and denying His Human works by the spirit if GOD (IN) him. You have out of your own mouth separated yourself from Christ Jesus, say you can not be the same as He. So it is impossible for yopu to come to the (FULL) Measure of Christ then…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 11 2010,03:03)The disciples were stumbled in John 6 by what Christ said. He countered – What if you see me ascend to my rightful position as ruler of my father’s kingdom of heaven and Earth. Will you also leave? This is the only position Christ had before as the son of man.The disciples did see the Messiah ascend to his rig…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,07:06)Mike has only had two years to develop good fruit and I think that he has produced better fruit than some who have been claiming Christ for decades. IMO.