Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2010,06:26)KathiAnd what is the difference? If he is the “Only Begotten Son” then he is a “Unique” Son, right?Strong's G3439 – monogenēs; Single, of its kind, OnlyHey WJ,Would you mind listing a link to this source or pasting it unedited and in it's entirety?Because, according to my source, http://www.eliyah.com/cg…[Read more]

Hi WJ,Good!  Now we are getting somewhere.You quoted:Quote For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have “begotten (gennaō)” you through the gospel. 1 Cor 4:15I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have “begotten (gennaō) in my bonds“: PHM 1:10Show me how the actual word…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 12 2010,04:03)I have already shown numerous times that you are not an honest researcher in several threads. You cannot be trusted in your interpretations.Hi Martian,You mean to say that you've already made the false claim numerous times. And I thought it would take more than 3 pre-exsistent scriptures to wear you down.…[Read more]

Hi RM,This is some stuff from ny debate with Dennison.Quote Hi Dennison,From Wikipedia,In the Book of Revelation, it reads “I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.”. The first part of this phrase (“I am the Alpha and Omega”) is first found in Chapter 1 verse 8, and is found in every manuscript of Revelation that has 1v8. Several later m…[Read more]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 12 2010,14:31)I'm just dying for someone to not believe me, and to ask me to prove it.Hi RM,I don't believe you. Can you prove it? It might be hard since you're working off of nothing but your own conjecture. peace and love,mike

Jack, Jack, Jack,You are the most humorous of all the clowns.   You said:Quote The LXX uses the word “yinomai” from which “gennao” is derived. Isaiah 43:10 is essentially saying that there was no God begotten before or AFTER God.When did I ever say there was more than one God?  There are many gods, but only one God.  So whatever word you use fo…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 12 2010,13:19)Hi Mike,I'm with you on this one!I believe “we all” pre-existed.But it's not worth me debating.  (';')God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPS> What happened to Nick?Hi Ed,I don't know that I would go that far.  God has known each one of us from eternity, I think.  But Jesus is the only ma…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2010,08:47)Quote (Arnold @ Aug. 11 2010,15:50)One more thing, if the Holy Spirit is a person then He will be the Father of Jeus, and that is not so, because the Holy Spirit is the essence of God the Father…His Holy SpiritSo if the Holy Spirit is not a person then a thing or impersonal force or power concieved…[Read more]

Hi WJ,You said:Quote MikeI haven’t had as much time lately and respond to what I feel to respond to.To be honest we are sick of going in circles with you. You insist that you are right and keep on making what you call unambiguous claims, for instance your total denial that the word “begotten” or “Gennao” the equivalent of Yalad has other m…[Read more]

Revelation 5:7 came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.Revelation 5:13Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”Revelation…[Read more]

Hi JAudge,I HATE long posts.  If we each list 5 in one post, then the other has to refute 5 in one post which makes the first guy's affirmation of his first 5 and rebuttal of his opponents refutes of his first 5 take an even longer post and so on and so on.You are seeing the crux of the problem right now anyway.  This is where we've been stuck f…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 12 2010,12:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2010,11:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2010,18:54)Don't you find it weird that only you KJ and WJ seem to think Jesus was not LITERALLY begotten?Wrong.Everyone that I know of here except for Irene does not believe that he was begotten (born) before the ages or…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 12 2010,10:45)The Earth shall be judged by the “man” whom God appointed. Man in this verse is anthropos is only used in scripture to depict human being.Hi Martian,So why do you have trouble with Phil 2, which says Jesus emptied himself and was “made in the likeness of 'anthropos'? Doesn't it mean he was made in the likeness…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 12 2010,03:53)Son of man is not an abstract phrase nor did I give it an abstract meaning. Son of man always, always denotes humanity. Are you willing to say that the son of man was in heaven and that is whee he was returning?Hi Martian,And I suppose you have an “alternate” meaning of this verse too?John 3:13No one has ever…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 12 2010,00:51)Eph 4:13……> Till we (all) come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the son of God, unto a (PERFECT) man, unto the (MEASURE OF THE STATURE) of the (FULLNESS) of Christ:Hi Gene,While 90% of your post is just opinion and more explaining of your “wish” for Jesus to be just like us, I will…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Aug. 12 2010,10:48)You have done the same thing with these verses.  You leave out important phrases then say, they don't matter, because they do not fit your personal agenda.Read Martian's thread on how he works the scriptures, you have a lot to learn.Hi barley,Why don't you show me how the “servant” part –  or anything else I o…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2010,11:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2010,18:54)Don't you find it weird that only you KJ and WJ seem to think Jesus was not LITERALLY begotten?Wrong.Everyone that I know of here except for Irene does not believe that he was begotten (born) before the ages or time.WJOh but you misunderstood. Who here thinks he…[Read more]

Hi WJ,You said:Quote You need to check with Paul and the Apostles Mike.Paul was a Hebrew of the Hebrews and spoke Hebrew and was closer to Jesus and the LXX than any of the early Fathers, and he gives examples of the word Begotten “Yalad” or “gennao” a different meaning than you say.Show me.You said:Quote Not to mention the Apostles quoted Pss 2:7…[Read more]

Hey Jack,Your post is to Kathi, but I couldn't help but see this:that this one only God has also a Son, His Word, who proceeded from Himself, First as immanent within the Father, then as expressed at the Son'sgeneration:And your dude's explanation basically says God was alone by Himself, except for his thoughts.  And those “thoughts” were…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 12 2010,10:24)Mike,Did you see what i wrote to kathi…External study is not “OUTLAWED” by me – It is the continuous reference as if they are Gospel: “Fred, down the local cider bar, said that Jesus was married to Mary Magdelene and he showed me in the scriptures 'this proof' and that proof'!”.Telling everyone what “Fred”…[Read more]