Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2010,16:25)Maybe you need to look up the words (ALONE) and (BY MYSELF) because those words don't seem to be sining in brother. IMOHi Gene,And what about all the NT scriptures that say all things are through Jesus?  How do you answer Heb 1 which is supposedly about Jesus laying the foundations of the earth?  HOw do y…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,14:18)WJ…………None of you options are right, Jesus was begotten when the Holy Spiirt came (INTO) Him (AFTER) He was Baptized at the Jordan River by John the Baptist.Hi Gene,That's the #3 choice above.  Should I cast an “absentee” vote for Nick on that one also?   mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,14:18)WJ…………None of you options are right, Jesus was begotten when the Holy Spiirt came (INTO) Him (AFTER) He was Baptized at the Jordan River by John the Baptist.Hi Gene,That's the #3 choice above.  Should I cast an “absentee” vote for Nick on that one also?   mike

Quote (Guest @ Aug. 14 2010,08:23)You are so right, arguing with someone who is always insisting with whatever you put in front of them is fruitless…This has gone on and on to far.  When it becomes personal it should stop all together IMOHi Irene,Why did you pick the name “Guest”?     Just kidding.  I appreciate both yours and JA's input, and…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 14 2010,08:30)Hi Mike:What about the following scriptures as it relates to this discussion?Quote John 3:11-14 (King James Version) 11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,00:33)Mike……….Separating Jesus from our (exact) identity is the work of the Spirit of Antichrist brother. It constitutes a division of the body of Christ and the work of the Spirit of GOD. Be careful brother that is dangerous ground IMO.Hi Gene,Preaching your own doctrine that doesn't align with scripture…[Read more]

Hi Martian,You say that Jesus is not flesh and blood as we are right now.  Yet he is STILL called the Son of Man.Oh yeah, and since you think “Son of Man” indicates he was exactly like us, then what does ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God mean?And I'm ignoring your “the” diversion, but I have one more for ya.  Are YOU aware of any glory you had in God's p…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 13 2010,14:50)Yes Mike that is the sight.  I have really been enjoying reading about the earlier Christians in the pre-trinity era.

Jesus says it best,John 17:3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Is “eternal life” important?  We must know the only true God AND His Son Jesus Christ.  They are not one being…….we must know both of them.peace and love,mike

Btw Shimmer,God comes over me like that alot. Just thinking or watching or listening to music, and all of a sudden He's there so overwhelmingly that it brings tears.God bless you,mike

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 12 2010,15:53)In the Born or begotten thread, theres more to what I said, They are saying God has a body with reproductive organs and everything, that God actually gave birth to God as another God who then became Jesus, all kinds of things,Hi Shimmer,I haven't read anyone say or even suggest this on the born and begotten…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 13 2010,13:36)Mike,Good post! This really stood out to me:Quote 9. Moreover to anathematize “Before His generation He was not,” did not seem preposterous, in that it is confessed by all, that the Son of God was before the generation according to the fleshThat was quite a strong statement that it is confessed by ALL, tha…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2010,14:02)Hi Mike:I believe that if you will read these scriptures carefully you will see that Jesus was not speaking of returning to a former glory that he had prior to his being glorified upon finishing the work that God gave him to do on this earth, but he was speaking in terms of going to a glory that was foreordained…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2010,01:36)Mike……….barely and martian is right you have completely arranged the text to meet you preconceived ideologies and are not being truthful with the text as it is written, you force it to a conclusion that fits yours, but the text does not (actually) say what you infer, that is the point here. Not only…[Read more]

Hi RM,I guess you missed this part,Several later manuscripts repeat “I am the Alpha and Omega” in 1v11 too, but it does not receive support here from most of the oldest manuscripts, including the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus. It is, therefore, omitted in some modern translations. Scholar Robert Young stated, with reg…[Read more]

Hi Gene,Thanks for answering.  You said:Quote could ask God to Glorify me with the Glory i had with him before the world ever existed if i understood what that glory was as Jesus did why couldn't I ask that?Really Gene?  Did you have glory with God before?  How do you know that?  How do you know you will ever have “glory” with God?  Come on man,…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 12 2010,23:53)I said I already answered it.I'm sorry……..I meant if you want to answer it FOR REAL. Here they are again:Could you ask God to glorify you in His presence with the SAME GLORY YOU HAD IN HIS PRESENCE BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD? Were YOU in God's PRESENCE before the world was created? Was the world…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 13 2010,11:10)To all —I just want to point out the absolutely silly lengths Mike will go to in order preserve his pet theory. Now he will not accept that “son of man” denotes humanity. Have you ever heard anything so silly? I hope that those that read and do not post will finally see the total dishonesty of mikes…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2010,10:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2010,14:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2010,08:47)Quote (Arnold @ Aug. 11 2010,15:50)One more thing, if the Holy Spirit is a person then He will be the Father of Jeus, and that is not so, because the Holy Spirit is the essence of God the Father…His Holy SpiritSo if the Holy…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2010,06:50)Most here do not buy your Begotten God theory which has caused a lot of confusion also Kathi.Oh no!  Well I better switch sides then so I can be on the winning team!   In fact WJ, I believe it's only you and KJ and JA that think Jesus wasn't literally begotten by his God at some point.  You three are th…[Read more]