Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 15 2010,03:25)Mike,No amount of thrashing will get you off this fishhook. And no point trying to turn the tables on JA… It is YOU who needs to “Prove” which “Day” and this is what you cannot do – because there were no “Days” before there were days (nor Time before there were times).Oh no, no, no JA.Paul says a promise was…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 15 2010,03:25)Mike,No amount of thrashing will get you off this fishhook. And no point trying to turn the tables on JA… It is YOU who needs to “Prove” which “Day” and this is what you cannot do – because there were no “Days” before there were days (nor Time before there were times).Oh no, no, no JA.Paul says a promise was…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,03:00)Really Mike, I will be hitting your blasphemy hard in my closing statement. And it's a good thing for you that people are not put to death under the new covenant.Hit away Jack. I will be happy to debate you on this subject next time. But first, we must conclude the one about “elohim” and the plural…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,03:00)Really Mike, I will be hitting your blasphemy hard in my closing statement. And it's a good thing for you that people are not put to death under the new covenant.Hit away Jack. I will be happy to debate you on this subject next time. But first, we must conclude the one about “elohim” and the plural…[Read more]

Hi WJ,You said:Quote Mike you pride yourself in accepting Greek and Hebrew words for their meaning then why do you not accept the meaning of “yowm”?I'm sorry Keith, but “1d) time, period (general)” is actually a definition of “yown”.  So I DO accept the meaning.You said:Quote There were no “days” before day one!You have no idea what was or wasn't…[Read more]

Hi WJ,You said:Quote Mike you pride yourself in accepting Greek and Hebrew words for their meaning then why do you not accept the meaning of “yowm”?I'm sorry Keith, but “1d) time, period (general)” is actually a definition of “yown”.  So I DO accept the meaning.You said:Quote There were no “days” before day one!You have no idea what was or wasn't…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 14 2010,19:30)Hi Mike,There was no DAY… nor TIME … Either translation was Outside of Time and outside of Days.Mike, are you saying you have been making selections 'by proxy'? Is this allowed?Hi JA,You don't know whether or not God counted “days” before he caused Jesus to exist or not.  You and the other 2 J's place all…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 14 2010,19:30)Hi Mike,There was no DAY… nor TIME … Either translation was Outside of Time and outside of Days.Mike, are you saying you have been making selections 'by proxy'? Is this allowed?Hi JA,You don't know whether or not God counted “days” before he caused Jesus to exist or not.  You and the other 2 J's place all…[Read more]

Hi Gene,Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't Jesus “baptised” by holy spirit?  Was it the water that actually baptised him, or the holy spirit?  I have always considered the water as a symbol of cleansing, but the actual baptising isn't concluded until you receive the spirit.  Either way, I think this is what WJ meant by “when he was baptised” in his #3 ch…[Read more]

Hi Gene,Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't Jesus “baptised” by holy spirit?  Was it the water that actually baptised him, or the holy spirit?  I have always considered the water as a symbol of cleansing, but the actual baptising isn't concluded until you receive the spirit.  Either way, I think this is what WJ meant by “when he was baptised” in his #3 ch…[Read more]

Hi All,Just so you know, the “Today” could have just as easily been translated “at this time” in both the Hebrew and when Paul quotes it later.  Both the Hebrew and the Greek words used could mean “during this time period”.  Don't ignore the fact that God begat Jesus literally just because God chose to use a word we would all understand.  None of…[Read more]

Hi All,Just so you know, the “Today” could have just as easily been translated “at this time” in both the Hebrew and when Paul quotes it later.  Both the Hebrew and the Greek words used could mean “during this time period”.  Don't ignore the fact that God begat Jesus literally just because God chose to use a word we would all understand.  None of…[Read more]

btw, WJ doesn't use the words “by his baptism”, but “WHEN he was baptised”. So like I said, you want choice #3.

btw, WJ doesn't use the words “by his baptism”, but “WHEN he was baptised”. So like I said, you want choice #3.

Hi Gene,Are you serious?  Did Jesus get baptized and then, like a day or two later, the holy spirit descended on him?  Or was it right away……..AT HIS BAPTISM?Mar 1:10 And just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens splitting apart and the Spirit descending on him like a dove.Maybe YOU need to pay more attention Gene.mike

Hi Gene,Are you serious?  Did Jesus get baptized and then, like a day or two later, the holy spirit descended on him?  Or was it right away……..AT HIS BAPTISM?Mar 1:10 And just as Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens splitting apart and the Spirit descending on him like a dove.Maybe YOU need to pay more attention Gene.mike

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 13 2010,21:24)My human mind understands this as; God spoke through the MAN Jesus. Therefore the words which Jesus spoke were not his own. Therefore, In the Beginning was the word the word was with God and the word was God, so this man Christ Jesus born of a virgin, receiving the Holy Spirit at Baptism, spoke the word of God.…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,15:18)Mike………..Wisdom is (NOT) a Person it is an (ATTRIBUTE)  It is being personified to show it is a distinct (ATTRIBUTE) of GOD the FATHER, that has nothing to do with Jesus' Preexistence, Do you see how far of the deep end you can go with that reasoning. Some will swear it is talking about Jesus , even…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,15:06)Mike ……..So are we going to believe you trinitarian translated forced text , When the word in the Greek can just as easily mean (FOR) or BECAUSE OFHey Gene,I'm still waiting for you to answer the one that says all things are “through him and for him”. Col 1:16 NET for all things in heaven and on earth…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2010,14:42)Mike………Interesting your definition of Antichrist and Johns are different He said if they do not believe Jesus came (IN) the FLESH (that) was the spirit of Antichrist , again you destory scripture to maintain you belief system.Hi Gene,I can't remember ever being “dishonest” with you.  And did you…[Read more]