Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,08:14)It is written in the nominative which reads “God.” It says that the Word was God.Yes Roo,It says the word was god and with THE god. Later we find out the word was the only begotten god, while THE god is the only unbegotten, just like scripture and Ignatius say.mike

Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,10:32)Did I say it was on my authority that it is mistranslated. This is a quote from a website.Well then it HAS to be correct, right? It was on the web!

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,08:06)Martian said to Mikeboll:Quote Go back to your Monkey ministries.the RooHi Jack,Would you like me to go to some threads and out of the blue post some of the things that Martian has said about you?Would that be funny to you?

Okay Gene,Quote Psa 8:5 What is man , that thou are mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou has visited him? Vers 8:5 …> For thou has made him a little lower than the angles, and hast crowned him with (GLORY) AND HONOR.Yes, man has a glory all of his own, just like the flowers in the field do.  Which man said he had glory in God's…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2010,14:49)Hi Mike:I have posted the scriptures as they relate to each other so that you can read for yourself and see what Jesus meant.I know that you are an intelligent person.Love in Christ,MartyHi Marty,Thanks for that vote of confidence, but your scriptures do no more to make me think Jesus DIDN'T pre-exist than the…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,07:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,02:28)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 13 2010,23:00)John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was (of) God.But the word is not in the greek text in over 5000 manuscripts. You are adding to the scritptures my friend.Dangerous to say the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:58)And so was days, so how does that fit into your theology?WJHi WJ,Can YOU tell me which “this day” it was?   Like maybe the actual date?  Of course not.  So could it just be a matter of God wording it in a way we would understand without getting all metaphysical about it and talking about “inside ti…[Read more]

Hi Pierre,I am almost to that same place with Martian.  He puts his “wishes” above what scripture really says.  He “wants” so badly for Jesus to be just like him that he is willing to overlook and butcher scriptures that say just the opposite.Most of my family are JW's.  They don't believe in a lake of fire/hell/gehenna.  They think that it is fig…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,06:40)Whatever Jesus spoke were the words of his Father, they came from the Father first before the son spoke them to us, that is why John referred to Jesus as the word, he was and is God's spokes-person.Exactly Georg! And God personally called the spokesmen for the king of Assyria “underlings” and “servants”.Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,06:40)Whatever Jesus spoke were the words of his Father, they came from the Father first before the son spoke them to us, that is why John referred to Jesus as the word, he was and is God's spokes-person.Exactly Georg! And God personally called the spokesmen for the king of Assyria “underlings” and “servants”.Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:24)Do you think that they can prove scripturally that there was a day before the beginning?NO. Can you prove there wasn't? So there ya go.My point is that some of these guys, especially Eusebius were the most learned theologians of their day……don't you think they knew scriptures? Why didn't they…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:24)Do you think that they can prove scripturally that there was a day before the beginning?NO. Can you prove there wasn't? So there ya go.My point is that some of these guys, especially Eusebius were the most learned theologians of their day……don't you think they knew scriptures? Why didn't they…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 14 2010,23:46)This forum is littered with this “begotten” (Who started this?) theme. If all you are saying is that Jesus had a beginning when God created him and you call this being “Begotten” then let it be.Good JA,Let's let it be because scripture says it.  And what else does scripture say about it?  That Jesus is the O…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,13:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,05:53)MikeWe are debating scriptures Mike, not conjecture.I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; “THIS DAY” have I begotten thee. Pss 2:7Hi WJ,Why not answer the questions I just asked JA.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,06:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,13:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,05:53)MikeWe are debating scriptures Mike, not conjecture.I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; “THIS DAY” have I begotten thee. Pss 2:7Hi WJ,Why not answer the questions I just asked JA.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,05:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,13:54)You are no match for me, spirit and scripture working together, man.He is beating his chest again!Actually WJ,  I did that on purpose so JA could get a taste of it.  This is how HE posts, not me.  It was a joke, and I was waiting for him to respond so I could sa…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,05:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2010,13:54)You are no match for me, spirit and scripture working together, man.He is beating his chest again!Actually WJ,  I did that on purpose so JA could get a taste of it.  This is how HE posts, not me.  It was a joke, and I was waiting for him to respond so I could sa…[Read more]

Hi Martian, This might come as a complete shock to you and Gene, but it's not all about you.Jesus doesn't have to have the existence that makes you the happiest.  He has the existence that the scriptures clearly tell about.  If you feel “jealous” or whatever that Jesus knew more than us, or was “different” than us, take it up with God.  But pl…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,05:53)MikeWe are debating scriptures Mike, not conjecture.I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; “THIS DAY” have I begotten thee. Pss 2:7Hi WJ,Why not answer the questions I just asked JA. And when you're done, you can explain why you think none of the early church “fathers”…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,05:53)MikeWe are debating scriptures Mike, not conjecture.I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; “THIS DAY” have I begotten thee. Pss 2:7Hi WJ,Why not answer the questions I just asked JA. And when you're done, you can explain why you think none of the early church “fathers”…[Read more]