Btw Roo,You didn't seem to respond to the fact the the early church “fathers” also think that Wisdom in Proverbs 8 refers to Jesus.Why are you always against the early church “fathers”?Why is it that I, while drawing my own conclusions from scripture, always later find out that it is the same conclusion the early church “fathers” came…[Read more]

Hi All,I would like to bring this out in the open.  Jack claimed that the Septuagint has Is 45 saying, “There was no God formed before me, and there will be no god begotten after me”.I then pasted the actual LXX and showed that that is NOT what it says.Then I posted this to Jack about things he has been misinformed on:Quote I'm sure it will turn…[Read more]

Hi All,I would like to bring this out in the open.  Jack claimed that the Septuagint has Is 45 saying, “There was no God formed before me, and there will be no god begotten after me”.I then pasted the actual LXX and showed that that is NOT what it says.Then I posted this to Jack about things he has been misinformed on:Quote I'm sure it will turn…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 16 2010,05:28)Now here is a question: Who will be there to pull you through?Your own ego.Who will be there to pull you away? Now, that is the more compelling question…Oh Lord, please don't let it be someone who thinks Satan was your firstborn!   Like I said before, either show where something I said was unscriptural, or…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 16 2010,05:28)Now here is a question: Who will be there to pull you through?Your own ego.Who will be there to pull you away? Now, that is the more compelling question…Oh Lord, please don't let it be someone who thinks Satan was your firstborn!   Like I said before, either show where something I said was unscriptural, or…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 15 2010,15:17)Hi Mike:If the scriptures don't convince you, what more can I say or add to them that would convince you. Just look at the number of pages on this thread.He was fore-ordained. He did not pre-exist as a sentient person.Love in Christ,MartyHi Marty,I agree Jesus was foreordained. That doesn't answer why he said…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,22:00)Martian said to Mikeboll:Quote Go back to your Monkey ministries.Then Martian said to Mikeboll:Quote I know that you are an intelligent person.the RooWell, I'm at least intelligent enough to know that Martian said one, and Marty said the other Roo…….are you?

Gene said:Quote Mike………..Again you are forcing the text to say (RETURN) it does not say that or we would not be having this conversation we are having about this topic. I'm sorry Gene,It's just that when someone says he will go to WHERE HE WAS BEFORE, I assume it means RETURN.And this topic isn't about God knowing things and people before…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 16 2010,04:59)Where did you post the LXX?43:10 γενεσθε μοι μαρτυρες καγω μαρτυς λεγει κυριος ο θεος και ο παις ον εξελεξαμην ινα γνωτε και πιστευσητε και συνητε οτι εγω ειμι εμπροσθεν μου ουκ εγενετο αλλος θεος και μετ' εμε ουκ εσταιhttp://bibledatabase.net/html/septuagint/23_043.htmThe word I bolded is “yinomai.” It…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 16 2010,04:59)Where did you post the LXX?43:10 γενεσθε μοι μαρτυρες καγω μαρτυς λεγει κυριος ο θεος και ο παις ον εξελεξαμην ινα γνωτε και πιστευσητε και συνητε οτι εγω ειμι εμπροσθεν μου ουκ εγενετο αλλος θεος και μετ' εμε ουκ εσταιhttp://bibledatabase.net/html/septuagint/23_043.htmThe word I bolded is “yinomai.” It…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 16 2010,04:54)The point is that if it's not talking about Jesus then don't make it talk about Jesus. Pretty simple isn't it? If you were honest you would concede that your argument from Proverbs 8 is weak at best.Your whole theology is a mess Mikester! You said in R# 8 that the Hebrews were “strict monotheists” and then…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 16 2010,04:54)The point is that if it's not talking about Jesus then don't make it talk about Jesus. Pretty simple isn't it? If you were honest you would concede that your argument from Proverbs 8 is weak at best.Your whole theology is a mess Mikester! You said in R# 8 that the Hebrews were “strict monotheists” and then…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,04:42)Hello Oatmeal,You are full of mush.Martian didn't use a single Scripture in this thread that I saw.He asks questions for which he receives Scriptural responses and never yet has responded to the Scriptures, here or in the other threads.  He avoids them and then goes to another question or topic.You call this…[Read more]

Jack said:Quote Shimmer,Don't buy Mike's polytheism. He has departed from the NWT on which he was brought up and which he also endorses. It says,Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.There it is! The NWT which Mike himself endorses says that there continued to be no god after YHWH!the RooAnd…[Read more]

Jack said:Quote Shimmer,Don't buy Mike's polytheism. He has departed from the NWT on which he was brought up and which he also endorses. It says,Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.There it is! The NWT which Mike himself endorses says that there continued to be no god after YHWH!the RooAnd…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 16 2010,04:19)No Mike! This is how you do. You quote people out of context. I also gave chapter 9 in that post and in a post to Georg before that. Wisdom is personified as a virtous woman in 8-9.the RooSo your point is that since it was likened to a virtuous woman, wisdom can never be likened to anything else ever again?

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 16 2010,04:19)No Mike! This is how you do. You quote people out of context. I also gave chapter 9 in that post and in a post to Georg before that. Wisdom is personified as a virtous woman in 8-9.the RooSo your point is that since it was likened to a virtuous woman, wisdom can never be likened to anything else ever again?

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 16 2010,00:09)Mike, when you make a statement, you leave walloping holes for your opposers to walk through your argument.Hi JA,Why don't you show me where I spoke “unscripturally”.And don't forget, I didn't request any help from you…….I'm doing just fine. For me it's not about “winning” like it is for you. I don't…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 16 2010,00:09)Mike, when you make a statement, you leave walloping holes for your opposers to walk through your argument.Hi JA,Why don't you show me where I spoke “unscripturally”.And don't forget, I didn't request any help from you…….I'm doing just fine. For me it's not about “winning” like it is for you. I don't…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 15 2010,23:45)KangarooJack, thanks,Didn't they find old scripture in some caves and it matched the older versions of what we have today, the Jehovah's Witnesses also have their own translation I think with changes made to fit their own doctrines. Polytheistic ?Hi Shimmer,NETBible is a web site that not only lists nine English…[Read more]