Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 17 2010,08:09)Dbf, no scripture verses? Do you need to see them? You still toying with reading hence you can't see where where they are written.Still struggling to understand basic concepts like a child just learning Euclidean theory…what your teacher says to you seems like gibberish to your immature mind.JA,This is the…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 17 2010,08:09)Spirits do not procreate. What is the problem? Why would a spirit procreate?How do you know this?

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 17 2010,08:09)Dbf and Mikebolle,You have both been mislead by the spirit of dillusion.This is the kind of stuff David and I are talking about JA.  What does that even mean?  Is it something you can scripturally prove?  And since you don't paste other people's quotes, we never really know which post of ours your even re…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 17 2010,03:45)David,Mike and Kathi have been corrected on these matters. They just don't want to hear it. See the opening post to a thread I started a while back:Yes David,Check out Jack's post, not anyone's rebuttals of that post! mike

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 17 2010,00:31)I have posted hundreds of posts with numerous Scriptures but no one rebutts them, they attack me or in this case Kathi.  And never addressing what she is talking about.I hear you David, but like I mentioned before, make your posts shorter for starters.I'm learning a trick from t8.  I keep forgetting to use i…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 17 2010,00:09)JA, You are right, I should have said, “If God is ONLY spirit as you proposed.However, I put a lot of other information that you chose to bypass which seems to be typical of the rebuttals here and it is getting old.I notice that you are in the Mods group but you don't believe in the Bible….and seldom respond…[Read more]

Hey Jack and Keith,I posted the above for Marty, but I noticed this part:Several things should be noted: μονογενής alone, without υἱός, can mean “only son,” “unique son,” “unique one,” etc. (see 1:14).Do you see where it says “monogenes”, when used ALONE, WITHOUT THE WORD SON, can mean “only son”, “unique son”, etc.?I take that to mean when it is…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 17 2010,13:47)Hi Mike:What Greek manuscripts have “only begotten god” at John 1:18?  The Greek intelinear that I have looked has the Greek “huios”, and YLT has it Son also.  This would also be consistent with the rest of the scriptures such as John 3:16, & Matthew 16 for example.There is no “begotten god”.Love in C…[Read more]

Hi JA,You said:Quote  The begotten one is raised up above his brethren in many fractal Scriptures, I'm not aware of that in any scripture.  Could you show me?You said:Quote Roo once again is right. There is onlh one God. All else are 'So Called gods'.Is Jesus a “so-called” god?  John 1:18,18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,17:14)And the Net also says…Heb “and after me, there will not be”; NASB “there will be none after Me.”WJI'm sorry WJ,Which one of those translations say “no god will come into being after me”?mike

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 16 2010,21:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,15:19)Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 16 2010,10:11)KangarooJack, We all have day's like that, my problem is I'm on the other side of the world than most people, so I miss out on all the conversations and only catch up later, when everyones gone. I think Mike need's some time out.You know…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 17 2010,09:29)The something I was looking for was an alleged statement by me saying that the Septuagint has the word “begotten.” I had thought that Mike said that the LXX said “begotten” so I attributed the statement to him. I had not payed attention that he was saying that I had said that. So he posted an objection…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,08:09)Secondly – I find your appeal to scriptural proof a little funny since you do not show any process by which you form your conclusions. As I have said time and time again I will not yield to your opinion of a translation written in English of a document 2.000 years old in another land, culture and language.I take…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2010,07:43)In the scripture that you have quoted, John the Baptist was a great man, and he was a prophet, but Jesus said that “he who is least in the kingdom of God was greater than he”. John the Baptist had not been born again because Jesus had not yet been glorified, and so, Jesus was saying that anyone who would be born…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2010,07:43)When he said that he came down from heaven, he made it clear that he was speaking of the Word of God, that is the Words that the Father was speaking to humanity through him. He also said “that when we have seen him through the works of obedience that he was doing to the Father, we have seen the Father.  He…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2010,07:43)In the scriptures that I quoted I was showing you that he said that he was in the Father and the Father was in him, that is that same spirit was in both, the Word of God.Hi Marty,I'm not sure I've ever read where the spirit was the Word of God. Do you have a scripture that says that?mike

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2010,07:43)Mike:I am glad to hear that we agree that Jesus was foreordained.  He said to those that did not believe that he came down from heaven, “what if the Son of man ascends where he was before”.  We know that he did not exist as the Son of man prior to his birth of the virgin Mary, and so, all that he was saying is t…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 16 2010,12:53)Mike has done a good job in taking one Scripture at the time . but unfortunately it was fruitless…. Peace IrenePeace IreneYou and I have both tried Irene, but I'm beginning to agree with you about it being fruitless.  You just can't debate with people who don't have anything to actually refute the scripture…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 16 2010,10:45)Believe what you like, lu.Check you understanding of things.But think in the spiritual. Then you will see.What kind of remark is that JA?Kathi just quoted Col 1:16 for you, and instead of defending your “begotten is a title” and “Satan came first” beliefs, you just say “believe what you like”?Wow.  Seems to…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 16 2010,10:11)KangarooJack, We all have day's like that, my problem is I'm on the other side of the world than most people, so I miss out on all the conversations and only catch up later, when everyones gone. I think Mike need's some time out.You know Shimmer, I've have given you the benefit of the doubt so far.  But your…[Read more]