Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,09:45)And Jesus is the First and the Last.the RooWell, scriptures say he is the first of many things. But if you're referring to Rev saying Jesus is the first and the last, you're mistaken. And there's an Alpha and Omega thread going on, so take it there.Btw, you didn't seem to disagree with my interpretation…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,09:30)HA HaOf course you do not have time because you have to deal with the truth. You fight battles for things that you don't even believe.What are you talking about?  I just answered your word game for the hundreth time in that same post.  I can call the pastor at my church “my Father” without anyone ever s…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,09:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,21:30)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 16 2010,17:14)And the Net also says…Heb “and after me, there will not be”; NASB “there will be none after Me.”WJI'm sorry WJ,Which one of those translations say “no god will come into being after me”?mikeMikeWhat does “there will be…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,09:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2010,17:13)I'm still waiting for the link to where Strong says “monogenes” means “one of a kind”.1) single of its kind, onlya)used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of GodSourceSo where is the link…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,09:11)Why are you making this argument Mike?You do not believe Jesus is God at all. For you have said he is not your God and you have never explained who he is “a god” too.If he is “a god” to anybody then that would mean he is their God.Is he your “Begotten God”?WJI've got no time for your funny word games.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,08:57)But only 2 says “Begotten God”, the NASB and the NWT, no surprise there…Not really. The actual Greek words means “only begotten god”. Strong even says that's the definition. Why is it all these other trinity biased translations render it differently than what the words mean?Oh that's right. They…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,06:15)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:33)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,22:10)Hi Marty,I don't even know all the different Greek mss, but here's some info and the newer translations that include the word “god”.  Something about the older ones have “god”, but somewhere along the line, some scribes…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2010,23:18)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2010,21:47)Hi Mike:What Greek manuscripts have “only begotten god” at John 1:18?  The Greek intelinear that I have looked has the Greek “huios”, and YLT has it Son also.  This would also be consistent with the rest of the scriptures such as J…[Read more]

Just one more time! Since then no divinely inspired Scripture has used the phrases, “out of nothing,” and “once He was not,” and the rest which follow, there appeared no ground for using or teaching them; to which also we assented as a good decision, since it had not been our custom hitherto to use these terms.

I couldn't wait.Here's a part of what Eusebius wrote to the members of his Diocese after the Nicene Council.  After making it abundantly clear that the “one in essence” and the anathema was force fed down their throats by the Emperor, he seems to be explaining away the anathema that he was forced to sign off on,And as to the anathematism published…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 17 2010,07:19)Yeah and Mike's hero Eusebius SIGNED the creed which anathematized those who say that there was a time when Jesus was not.Oh, you must have missed the post where I quoted his letter to his Diocese after signing the Creed. The one where he says he asked about all the crap in the anathema, and was told to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2010,15:18)Hi Marty,Allow me to help you. The Nestlé-Aland 26 original Greek manuscript is where you will find monogenes theos…begotten GodAnd Wescott and Hort. And many others.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,16:24)KathiIsn't that what you are doing, is supporting something that is not in scripture?WJSorry to butt in again, but what Kathi and I have done is show you the scripture, show you the definitons of the words, show you how they were used elsewhere in scripture, and show other scriptures that support the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,16:42)Doesn't that tell you something about his use of the word begotten as opposed to being born before time began, meaning eternity?Sorry to butt in, but I think it reaffirms that begotten is a term applied to men, and born is a term applied to women.mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2010,15:46)Interesting quote from Ignatius, the disciple of John who wrote the phrase “only begotten Son:'Quote For the Son of God, who was begotten before time began, and established all things according to the will of the Father, He was conceived in the womb of Mary, according to the appointment of God, of the seed of…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 17 2010,10:03)Change the word “God” back to YHWH and say that YHWH begat a son “Jesus” and that way you can't get confused over using the word “God”.  YHWH begat Jesus and Jesus isn't YHWH as your sentence indicates.Bravo David,Now, add the fact that only one of those two is God Almighty……and you'll be following…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 17 2010,10:12)Jesus was begotten AT HIS RESURRECTION (Ps. 2:6-7; Acts 13:13; Hebrews 1 & 5 and Colossians 1:18).But you said that “no god was begotten before or AFTER God”.Is Jesus not a god? Was he begotten at his resurrection AFTER God existed?Hmmm…….mike

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 17 2010,09:53)I'm coming at it from the Scriptural fractals where the firstborn by birth always sins and another, often ….the last….becomes …the first…born by rank.JA,There are two kinds of “firstborns” in the Bible.  The default is the “one born first”.  The other kind happens when someone other than the “one b…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 17 2010,08:52)Jesus became the Son of God in the same way as His father David. Hebrews 1 says that He was “appointed” heir (firstborn) of all things.No Jack,That's not what Heb 1 says,2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things……No scripture EVER says Jesus was…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,08:30)And you don’t have an ulterior motive? You are so desperate you have to explain away a simple text stating he was begotten on a certain day.Hi WJ,I don't put so much weight on the “today” – that could just as easliy (LIKE I SHOWED YOU) mean “at this time” or “during this period” – that it negates t…[Read more]