Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,13:03)Mike,are you for real these days… you don't know these base Scriptures – yet you parade around the forum like a peacock on heat..?You must have looked in the mirror when you said that! If anyone ever asks me for scriptures to support what I'm saying, I gladly give them. I don't do a song and dance about…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,13:00)1. Mike, step out…2. DBF is coming round to the truth – don't confuse him with your nonesense.3. And his name is DavidBFun, DBF or the professor. David is some one else.1. No thanks.2. David has truth because he believes scripture JA. I couldn't possibly confuse him. (I don't think his “truth” will…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,12:45)But since we are talking, let's look at this one about male/female….that everyone refuses to acknowledge:Is God's image male and female as the Scripture says? Gen 1:27Or am I taking something out of context?If I am, then why did God follow up and create Man in His image, male and female?No, let's not look at…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,12:13)Mike,And what is your ferver for wanting Jesus to be Firstborn even though Spirits are not “Born” but created.Is this even a real question you're asking? Scripture says so……that's my “fervor”.mike

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,12:13)What is (are) the difference(s) between God and Jesus – and as Jesus becomes Begotten of God as Mankind that overcomes will also be begotten of God – will mankind then become as God as Jesus is as God?I'm still waiting for the scripture you think says men will be begotten by God.mike

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,11:14)A, DBF, how old are you. 12, eleven, what? younger…The angels were NOT in Spirit form as angels when they procreated – they took on bodies of FLESH…. and then procreated with Fleshkind women.DBF, what hallucinary drug do you take before posting in this forum – please tell me so I can request it be…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,10:05)Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,17:53)Gene,DBF is who Mike has 'begotten' as his student so don't be surprised at anything!JA,I doubt it as he doesn't like my Scriptures either. The ProfessorHi David,I like all scriptures and believe them. What scripture did you ever post to me that I didn't like? Or was it…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,10:08)Mike,Can you answer me where in Scripture Spirits are said to procreate?I can show you in scripture where God, who is Spirit is said to have begotten a Son thru whom the world was created.Will that suffice?  How about you…….can you show me the scripture that says spirits can't produce children?I think…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,02:27)So He was “begotten” at His resurrection/exaltation.Hi Jack,Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't those two things 40 days apart?Which “today” was the “today” he was “begotten”?mike

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 17 2010,19:44)Remember, i tried to help you. I offered my support, gave you might support, but gently suggested that you were wrong in your dispute.Yes, I remember that.  Do you remember that I said I never asked for or wanted your help?  Do you remember that I said I thought YOU were the one who was interpreting s…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 17 2010,19:29)Mike,You crying like a child who can't get his own way.Hi JA,I don't know which post you refer to, and I'm not willing to read back through 8 new pages of posts and try to guess which one of my posts it is.Yes, I think DBF is doing a GREAT job here.  And we've pm'd a while back about his “holy spirit is a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:42)But those who say: 'THERE WAS A TIME WHEN HE WAS NOT;' and 'HE WAS NOT BEFORE HE WAS MADE;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable'—they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.I'll s…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2010,17:25)Keith,Just maybe those verses are ambiguious to you and not to us and the early church fathers. That seems obvious. Many see what you cannot, in other words.He sees it “loud and clear” Kathi. But to admit it would be to say Jesus had a beginning, like scriptures actually teach. (Micah, Proverbs, Colossians,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:16)Yes MikeWe know that you are reverting to the ambiguous language of the Fathers who did not all agree BTW, to support your ambiguous claims and theorys.We have shown you scriptures to support our claims.WJI don't remember you ever showing a scripture that explained that “yalad”, “monogenes” and “gennao”…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,16:55)BTW, it doesn't negate the word Begotten, but only in your mind. The Apostles by revelation of the Spirit knew it spoke of Jesus after the resurrection when he sat down in his throne. Acts 13:33 – Heb 1:5 – Heb 5:5You keep saying only the three Js, but last I looked it is about even in the polls thread…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,11:03)Begotten God” – Remember that Scripture states that Mankind that overcomes will also become “Begotten God” as Jesus did.Which scripture says that JA?mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,10:21)The First and the Last is GodThe First and the Last is the only RockJesus is the First and the LastJesus is the RockTherefore, Jesus is GodLogic 101the RooGod is eternal.Jehovah our God is One.God begot a Son.The Son died, showing he was not originally eternal.The Son said our God was the same as his…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,10:15)Mike said:Quote First, your own definition says it means Jesus was begotten as the only son of God.Second, from that same exact site, here's what Strong's actually says:Strong's Greek Lexicon Search ResultsResult of search for “monogenes”:3439. monogenes mon-og-en-ace' from 3441 and 1096; only-born, i.e.…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 18 2010,01:59)I cite the fathers only to counter your understanding of them. But you and Kathi are beating people over the head with your fragmented quotes from them.I cite the fathers only to counter your understanding of scripture itself.  You assert “monogenes” didn't mean “only begotten”.  They counter you a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 17 2010,17:22)Do you have any proof he was forced? And if he was then how can you put trust in a man that caves to pressure?WJYeah Keith, Just Google the Nicene Creed.  Historians generally agree that Constantine crammed the creed down their throats.  He didn't want a disruption among his subjects.  And although he…[Read more]